[Bp_ipv6] BPF IPv6 - public input
Michael Oghia
mike.oghia at gmail.com
Mon Nov 7 13:11:21 EST 2016
Hi Jordi, Omar, all:
I want to support your rationale Jordi. It ultimately sounds like the first
point that was originally made about IPv4 in Africa is another way of
saying it is not a problem right now so it isn't worth the time and
investment. But that's the whole point of why we are addressing it now (or
at least one central point), before it is a much bigger problem.
Best,
-Michael
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:18 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
> Hi Omar, all,
>
> I think this is a very dangerous thinking and seriously terrible for
> Africa … let me explain.
>
> I’m talking about:
>
> 1. Africa still has enough IPv4 addresses and so, by the moment,
> there should not be noticeable problems not deploying IPv6.
>
> If an executive read this (even many engineers), they will have a broken
> idea of the situation. This has been the main reason in other regions we
> didn’t succeeded to deploy IPv6 on time, even in most occasions to prepare
> for it. This is the reason the ISP didn’t asked for IPv6 support in the
> CPEs more than 10 years ago, when it was the right time, so the vendors
> didn’t add support for it, and now because most of the CPEs last for more
> than 10 years (specially in weakest economies), it may take a lot of extra
> time or money to replace them and the vendors are waiting like wolfs to
> sell new CPEs instead of investing in a new firmware version. Same is
> applicable to OSS, and many other platforms.
>
> Even if you have “sufficient” IPv4 addresses, you need to START YESTERDAY
> (today is already too late), to make a medium and long term plan, design
> your network with IPv6, make your addressing plan, ask the RIR for the
> correct addressing space, start testing it, and make sure that new
> acquisitions, even if it will take several years to enable IPv6, have the
> right IPv6 support.
>
> Even much more, from the IPv6 survey, despite how much training we have
> provided in LACNIC (and also APNIC, AfriNIC), it is obvious that the ISPs
> have a broken mind about IPv6. They still look at it as IPv4, so they do
> very bad things when they deploy it. This will mean the cost will double
> when they realize it and need to make corrections. Probably many people
> doing IPv6 trainings (I’ve seen that many times, even from vendors that
> only want to sell boxes and then provide an “IPv6 training” for free, or
> big training companies, etc.), don’t have the *real* knowledge, I mean in
> the field with real deployment experiences, so they are missing key points
> y they transmit the information wrongly.
>
>
> 2. So, ISP that are not needing to replace obsolete equipment has no
> incentive to deploy IPv6.
>
> Right, not now, but if you don’t have a plan, will keep buying the old
> ones, and vendors will take advantage of it.
>
>
> 3. If you have enough IPv4 the first incentives to appear shall be
> content or applications not available at all on IPv4.
>
> Right, but this is already here. IPv6 is mandatory in AppStore, and apps
> not able to work IPv6-only, are being retired. Most of the developers and
> I’m sure this is happening as well in Africa, don’t realize it, not to say
> governments, corporates, etc. If they don’t have this in mind now, if they
> ISPs don’t deploy IPv6 today, they will be soon in an isolated IPv4-only
> Internet, unless they spend extra money to do some strange translators from
> IPv4-only to IPv6-only. The cost of that may be at least a good proportion
> of the IPv6 deployment cost.
>
> 5. Other ISP may be still waiting and thinking that they will be
> able to use CGNAT, if IPv4 addresses become exhausted.
>
> Yeah, but then you still have the problem as in 3., and addition, you
> can’t identify attackers in your network, your IPv4 range becomes banned by
> Sony Play Station (already happening), geolocation and file sharing apps
> doesn’t work, etc., etc.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Bp_ipv6 <bp_ipv6-bounces at intgovforum.org> en nombre de Omar de León -
> Teleconsult <omar.deleon at teleconsult.world>
> Responder a: <omar.deleon at teleconsult.world>
> Fecha: lunes, 7 de noviembre de 2016, 17:23
> Para: 'abdarahim youssouf' <abdarahim_youssouf at yahoo.fr>, 'Willy MANGA' <
> mangawilly at gmail.com>, <bp_ipv6 at intgovforum.org>
> Asunto: Re: [Bp_ipv6] BPF IPv6 - public input
>
> Dear Abdarahim, we have been working deeply on these issues at LACNIC
> and we got some main conclusions that can be related to Africa.
>
> 1. Africa still has enough IPv4 addresses and so, by the moment,
> there should not be noticeable problems not deploying IPv6.
> 2. So, ISP that are not needing to replace obsolete equipment
> has no incentive to deploy IPv6.
> 3. If you have enough IPv4 the first incentives to appear shall
> be content or applications not available at all on IPv4.
> 4. One case, among several other cases, is that of Orange that
> has decided to make an strategic deployment of IPv6 in Africa taking into
> consideration the above point. They want to be prepared using the time on
> their side and considering the exhaustion for 2019.
> 5. Other ISP may be still waiting and thinking that they will be
> able to use CGNAT, if IPv4 addresses become exhausted.
> 6. In these cases we think that the best strategy always will
> be, at least, to progressively replace obsolete equipment by DS modern one.
> 7. Equipment is not only network assets including the most
> visible customer access, but mainly the backoffice hard and soft (BSS/OSS,
> Firewalls, addresses stock management and so on) as well as strong
> personnel training.
>
> Here is the link to the full report in english:
> http://portalipv6.lacnic.net/wp-content/caf-lacnic/CAF-
> LACNIC-IPv6-Deployment-Social-Economic-Development-in-LAC.pdf (Orange
> case including Africa on page 61)
>
> An economic model (Spanish) can be reached at:
> http://stats.labs.lacnic.net/PROYECTOCAF/modelo/
>
> Best Regards, Omar
>
> De: Bp_ipv6 [mailto:bp_ipv6-bounces at intgovforum.org] En nombre de
> abdarahim youssouf
> Enviado el: domingo, 06 de noviembre de 2016 14:14
> Para: Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com>; bp_ipv6 at intgovforum.org
> Asunto: Re: [Bp_ipv6] BPF IPv6 - public input
>
>
>
> Dear All !
>
>
>
> Some countries like Nigeria ,South Africa, Kenya and Egypt have
> implemented IPV6,
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> Why ipv6 deployment is slow in Africa what to do about-it ?
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> More an information check this links Ipv6 deployment is slow in Africa
> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20151018_why_ipv6_
> deployment_is_slow_in_africa_what_to_do_about_it/>
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> Some couuntries Niger , South Sudan, Central Africa Republic and Chad
> is very lack IPV6 Implemented,
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> Case in Chad it has been hold only 5 Trainings organized by Afrinic
> with a local hosts ISOC CHAD, HTCE, ADETIC, IPV6 TASK FORCE CHAD, SOTEL
> CHAD, AUF,
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> IPV6 Task force work closely for outreach and Sensitization, we have
> only 8 LIR, 2 End-Users, and 0 Associate member to AFRINIC and
>
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> There is big difference between Chad and South Africa concerning IPV6
> Test. for more information see the links below : Chad <
> http://ipv6-test.com/stats/country/TD> and South Africa <
> http://ipv6-test.com/stats/country/ZA>
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> and also see the link below Delegations AS TD <
> https://www-public.tem-tsp.eu/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIR_
> Delegations/Delegations/ASN/TD.html>
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> Best Regards
>
> Youssouf Abdelrahim
>
> President IPV6 TASK FORCE CHAD
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> Le Samedi 5 novembre 2016 18h47, Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Le 04/11/2016 à 19:16, bp_ipv6-request at intgovforum.org a écrit :
> > Send Bp_ipv6 mailing list submissions to
> >[...]
> > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 02:08:37 +0900 (JST)
> > From: ?? ? <izumiokutani at yahoo.co.jp>
> >[...]
> > It would also be good to hear more cases about African and Middle
> Eastern case, both successful and challenges.
>
>
> In Africa, you should look closer to what Liquid Telecom has achieved
> in
> Kenya [1] and Zimbabwe [2][3] this year.
>
>
> 1. https://afnog.org/pipermail/afnog/2016-August/002756.html
>
> 2. https://afnog.org/pipermail/afnog/2016-September/002869.html
>
> 3. http://labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/ccpagev6?c=zw
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>
>
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> Willy Manga
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> Ubuntu Cameroonian Loco Team
> https://launchpad.net/~manga-willy
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