[IGFmaglist] IGF Reform Proposals

Sat Oct 19 04:02:36 EDT 2013

Markus,

That's a fair point of clarification, and I don't think that discussion
needs to be in a MAG meeting, although it could be, although your concerns
about timing are noted. Truth is, there seems to never be the right time to
discuss these reform issues (they're difficult and all a really heavy
lift), so I think we need to seize the moment (and multiple moments, for
that matter).  From my perspective, the discussions must start in earnest
now, and while it would be ideal to do it in a setting with all of us
together, it's also possible to do it by email and in the doc---although
somewhat inefficient, that also enables the participants who were unable to
make it here this year, and for non MAG members.  Thank you for your
comments here by email as it already helps to advance the discussion and to
hear your perspective on a couple of the points.

To your question about format, the proposal is in Google Docs not because
it's a proprietary format. It should work on any browser through HTML 5,
which is open sourced, and using the link eliminates the need for version
control.  If anybody would like to download and store a version of the
document in the version at any point in time, it can be done by opening the
doc (available here<https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/document/d/1IpseDEXj9F25-RQkJWX6ERYl6_K3-jlC0HpTYuqFDCY/edit>),
then File > Download As > then selecting whichever local format you prefer
(Word, RTF, ODT, TXT or HTML).

Sincerely,

Patrick

P.S. I just finished this email as you walked by to say hello in the hotel
lobby!  Would love to discuss live if you have a minute now.

------
*patrick ryan *
public policy & gov't relations sr. counsel, free expression and int'l
relations
patrickryan at google.com | +1.512.751.5346

On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Markus Kummer <kummer at isoc.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> It will not be possible to hold a MAG meeting on Sunday morning, as the
> rooms will not be available and, also, the Secretariat fully engaged with
> last minute preparations.
>
> Also, I don't think that we will be able to discuss Patrick's reform
> proposals at our meetings in Bali - the MAG meetings will be very short and
> we will have to make best possible use of them to run the meeting.
>
> However, I am happy to organise a call to discuss the paper once the
> meeting is over. Only two preliminary comments:
>
> I am sure that we would all support an unlimited mandate for the IGF.
> However, this is out of scope for the MAG and, if anything, would be
> counterproductive.
>
> I would also like to recall that the IGF Secretariat repeatedly urged the
> MAG to come up with a formula for selecting its members and time and again
> the MAG preferred to sticking to the current practice, leaving it what MAG
> Members used to term "the black box". I for one would strongly support any
> effort to develop a more transparent formula. This is clearly within the
> scope of the MAG.
>
> Lastly, may I ask Patrick to send us the document he circulated as an
> attachment rather than using proprietary web services.
>
> Best regards
> Markus
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:18 PM, angelic40 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Patrick,
> >
> > Yes, I am all for a discussion whether it is during one of the MAG get
> tot hers or just an evening over dinner or so. I will not arrive in time
> for a weekend session, but if I make it to Bali, I will be available
> starting Thursday morning.
> > I agree that an online discussion/ participation should be part of it.
> >
> > Looking forward to participating in this discussion
> > Angelic
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 18, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Ryan <patrickryan at google.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Angelic,
> >>
> >> That's a really good question---we don't actually have anything set up
> to discuss this, although I'm hopeful that we can address it at one of the
> MAG meetings that has been set.  Alternatively, for those that are arriving
> this weekend, I would love to get together----say, on Sunday morning----to
> host a discussion.  I also think that it will be important to see if we can
> collect some of the views of colleagues that have not been able to make it
> to Bali for various reasons (such as the visa situation), and so I suspect
> that the discussion should also include some online elements (email, maybe
> we create another Doc that people can collaborate on) so that we can hear
> their views.
> >>
> >> If you or anybody has any thoughts on that, I would love to hear them.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> ------
> >> patrick ryan
> >> public policy & gov't relations sr. counsel, free expression and int'l
> relations
> >> patrickryan at google.com | +1.512.751.5346
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Angelic del Castilho <
> angelic40 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Patrick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for this information. Is there a specific date set during the
> IGF in Bali for discussing this document or is the discussion only through
> comments online for now?
> >>
> >> Have a great day!
> >> Angelic
> >>
> >> Angelic Caroline Alihusain-del Castilho
> >> POB 3036
> >> Wanica
> >> Suriname
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Patrick Ryan <patrickryan at google.com>
> wrote:
> >> Dear MAG Colleagues,
> >>
> >> As we head into the IGF this year, I wanted to share some thoughts on
> the "top five" issues for IGF reform.  The document is in a draft form and
> could benefit form the thoughts and input from all of us.  It's not a
> private document, so feel free to share.  It's not a Google position
> although as I've mentioned to many, many of my colleagues at Google are
> very keen to make sure that we engage in serious reform
> discussions----starting next week.
> >>
> >> It's never easy to propose reform discussions of this kind (it's hard
> in any organization) and I genuinely hope that the suggestions here will be
> received by the UN and IGF colleagues in the positive spirit that they are
> intended.  We all believe strongly in the IGF and it's because of our
> belief in it that we should be talking about how to make it stronger.
> >>
> >> The document is available here.  Comments are really welcome and
> encouraged, either by email or by using the comment function of Google Docs.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> ------
> >> patrick ryan
> >> public policy & gov't relations sr. counsel, free expression and int'l
> relations
> >> patrickryan at google.com | +1.512.751.5346
> >>
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