[Wg-mwp] Adds to Nigel concerning Wg-mwp Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21

delfi ramirez 2qt at segonquart.net
Thu Oct 19 19:14:02 EDT 2017


Good Afternoon:

 1.

    Agreed with Nigel's observations.

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    Shall we consider cub-grupos as chapters?

my excuses, for missing the call. Cheers



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>     1. Re: [Ext] Re:  IGF WG-MWP Draft meeting summery # 2
>        (Nigel Hickson)
>     2. Re: Ideas for further discussion (Israel Rosas Rosas)
>     3. Re: IGF WG-MWP - Agenda - 3rd meeting - 19 Oct 2017
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:18:37 +0000
> From: Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson at icann.org>
> To: Baher Esmat <baher.esmat at icann.org>
> Cc: Lynn St.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch>, "wg-mwp at intgovforum.org"
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> Subject: Re: [Wg-mwp] [Ext] Re:  IGF WG-MWP Draft meeting summery # 2
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> Good afternoon
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> Am so sorry I missed the Call (delayed flights back from Buenos Aires).
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> I would have said (and realise a bit late now):
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> 1. Very pleased to be part of this important WG.
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> 2.  Had no problems with notes but was also troubled by the suggested criteria for any sub group. Did I see reference to academic papers?  Was this a joke? Also agree we should not limit numbers.
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> 3.  On broader themes I think we should consider an issue (and I would suggest as an initial idea ?governance of cyberspace? and work on it over say 2 IGFs. This will be a defining theme in UN and (possibly) ITU PP-18 and it seems only right that debate should be wider than governments.
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> Best
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> Nigel
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 19 Oct 2017, at 13:44, Baher Esmat <baher.esmat at icann.org<mailto:baher.esmat at icann.org>> wrote:
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> Thanks Lynn.
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> No comments on my side.
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> Best
> Baher
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> Date: Monday, October 16, 2017 at 4:23 AM
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> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Wg-mwp] IGF WG-MWP Draft meeting summery # 2
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>     Dear WG members,
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>     just a follow-up request for any comments.  I would like to post the final summary on Tuesday, and would appreciate your review.
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>     Best,
>     Lynn
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Lynn St.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch<mailto:st.amour at bluewin.ch>> wrote:
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> Dear WG members,
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> please find attached a DRAFT meeting summary from our 2nd WG meeting.  I would appreciate receiving any comments/edits no later than Monday, October 16th at which point we will consolidate and formally publish the meeting summary.  The summary itself is quite brief so it should be a quick review.
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> Best,
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> <IGF 2017 - MAG WG - MSWP Mtg. #2 draft.docx>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:13:01 +0000
> From: Israel Rosas Rosas <israel.rosasr at presidencia.gob.mx>
> To: Wout de Natris <denatrisconsult at hotmail.nl>
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> Subject: Re: [Wg-mwp] Ideas for further discussion
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> Dear Wout, all,
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> On number 4 (To involve absent stakeholders), I think we should find a way to show the benefits for each stakeholder of being involved in the discussion and projects. Sometimes, Internet Governance issues don?t have specific benefits, which is crucial for actors like governments. Sometimes, governments need to show budget benefits or something tangible in order to fully support IG projects and dedicate staff to follow up the discussions.
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> All the best,
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> El 19/10/2017, a las 09:56, Wout de Natris <denatrisconsult at hotmail.nl<mailto:denatrisconsult at hotmail.nl>> escribi?:
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> Dear all,
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> Following up on our excellent discussion just now I would like to share some initial ideas to contemplate as potential ways forward and to find engagement from (now absent) stakeholders. They are presented pointwise only and can be elaborated upon when taken up as relevant suggestions.
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> 1) Find solutions and ways forward for complex issues concerning Internet Governance involving several stakeholder groups within the context of the IGF;
> 2) Compile current best practices from around the globe and translate them into guides for the world to learn from on selected topics;
> 3) Bring stakeholders together around a specific topic, aimed at formulating potential solutions and find support for implementation of said within multiple stakeholder groups;
> 4) To involve absent stakeholders by:
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>    *   find and address the topics that entice them to join;
>    *   formulate invitations to join in a personalised way;
>    *   an active invitation policy through present stakeholders.
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> 5) Let stakeholders decide on what the best format for their respective challenge is, whether a BPF, Working or Expert Parties/Groups, brainstorm sessions, mailing lists, ??? as they see fit;
> 6) Decide whether there is room within the IGF for spontaneous action between stakeholders or that all needs to go through the MAG first;
> 7) Establish whether IGF funding issues change when the "right" topics are addressed so that the secretariat can supply support functions to all groups: What topic or call for action would make you support the IGF financially?
> 8) If there are several, different initiatives around the globe, within different organisations, around the same topic, could the IGF have a liaising role between these organisations or better, assume a coordinative role and bring them together?
> 9) Please follow up with your ideas.
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> In my opinion there is a need to not only discuss the topic of strategic mulityear workplan from a theoretical point of view. Those not engaged now, will not engage from theory. There has to be an element of "yes, you will get to work on ways forward, on solutions, etc." Only through the practical, aloof or absent stakeholders may be enticed to deliver input. From the moment it helps them find solutions to their respective issues.
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> Looking forward to hear your ideas.
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> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 22:34:36 +0000
> From: Israel Rosas Rosas <israel.rosasr at presidencia.gob.mx>
> To: Lynn St.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch>
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> Subject: Re: [Wg-mwp] IGF WG-MWP - Agenda - 3rd meeting - 19 Oct 2017
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> Dear Lynn, all,
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> I?m sorry I missed the call. After the earthquakes and some family issues, I?m just trying to put in order my pending topics, including my compromise as a member of this WG. I?ll look forward to collaborate with you in future calls.
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> Best,
> Israel
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> El 18/10/2017, a las 09:43, Lynn St.Amour <st.amour at bluewin.ch<mailto:st.amour at bluewin.ch>> escribi?:
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> Dear Colleagues,
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> Please find below a draft agenda for our 3rd meeting 1300 UTC Thursday October 19, 2017.  Webex registration details reposted below for ease.
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> 1 - Intro/Logistics/Admin
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> 2  - Review draft sub-working group charter for advancing IGF outputs (posted to the MAG WG on 17 October 2017 by Jeremy Malcom).
>                 Purpose:    - come to agreement on charter definition
>                                 - agree whether WG or sub-WG
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> 3 - Review IGF Programme Component Document and determine:
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>          a) if complete or if further work is required per Fl?vio Wagner?s suggestion
>          b) which areas should be further viewed for possible evolution
>          c) which areas are candidates for multi-year strategic planning
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> 4 - Discuss next steps/future agenda items
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> 5 - AOB
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