IGF 2016 - Day 1 - Room 10 - WS69: ICTS for Smart and Sustainable City


The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during the Eleventh Annual Meeting of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Jalisco, Mexico, from 5 to 9 December 2016. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the event, but should not be treated as an authoritative record. 


>> MODERATOR: Good morning.  Welcome to participate in the Number 69 IGF workshop, ICT Practice for Smart and Sustainable city.  A member of chairman association for science and technology.  This is by internet associate of China.  Original integration Ministry.  As you may know, the concept of smart and sustainable safety has been developed since 2009 with policies include different wireless systems and Cloud computing enabling new approaches to collaborative solutions for urban challenges.  The concept was extensively developed since then and now we have seen urban structures including significant Smart City elements have been implemented worldwide, and the market has recently been booming.  We are eager to hear some words from experts from across the country in today's workshop.

With my great pleasure, may I introduce to you our distinguished speaker, Mr. From Netherlands.  He will talk about ‑‑ he will make online presentation.  Ms. Ines from Tunis.  She will talk about ICT implementation for better education in developed countries.  Ms. Xiaofeng Tao from industry.  The above speakers who will give presentations from community, government, Civil Societies to express ideas from different stakeholders perspective and discuss with, the audience.  And the remote moderator, the audience for about 35 minutes.

Finally, we will make conclusion.  And before I make the presentation, I would like to introduce Mr. Jianxin Huang.  He will deliver our remark about safety on behalf of IFC.  Mr. Huang, please. 


>> JIANXIN HUANG: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

It is my great pleasure to attend the 2016 IGF in this beautiful city. On behalf of the co-host of the workshop, China Association for Science and Technology, and the Internet Society of China, please allow me to extend the warmest welcome to all of you.

As we all knew, building smart city is the application of advanced information technology solution to realize smart management and operation of city, to enable a better quality of life, and for a harmonious and sustainable development of city. During the process of building, ICT not only means important content of the basic information network, but also indispensable technology and applications for improving e-government, e-commerce, and people's livelihood. The new emerging ICTs as cloud computing, big data, virtual reality technology have increasingly provided important support for smart city. For example, the comprehensive application of big data has become one of the important means for smart city construction. From the government decision-making and services to public services, to the industry layout and planning of the city as well as the operation and management of the city, big data has played an increasingly important role on supporting the smart city.

The development of digital cities, smart cities and eco-cities in many countries are respectively diversified, such as cities of the United States, Canada, Sweden and South Korea having their own localized characteristics. In recent year, China is also actively developing smart cities, by the end of June this year, more than 500 cities' local governments claimed in their government working report that they were building or would soon develop building of smart city. Just last month, the Chinese government released a "New Type Smart City Evaluation Index (2016)" in which proposed to use seven objective indicators to evaluate the urban development status, development space, and development features. The seven indicators are public service for citizen, precise management, ecological living, smart facility, information resources, cyber security and innovation.

Today, it is great honor to invite panelists from different countries and multi-stakeholder to discuss how ICTs promote and enable the development of smart and sustainable city. We hope that panelists could exchange ideas and share experiences, and best practices. Finally, wish the workshop a big success. Thank you very much.

>> MODERATOR:  Excuse me.  Presentation.  Yes.  Thank you.  To make the first speaker about technology more sustainable safety.  Actually, in this error, for mobile technology, ‑‑ area for mobile technology, I have about 20 years of experience in this area.  I come from Beijing University of post and telecommunication.  I major ‑‑ safety, becoming smart, as well as increasingly relying on different technologies to overcome our various concerns. 

So, what makes the Smart City smart, and what is a Smart City about?  Based on the research in the year 2009, it says that Smart Cities were used in intelligent architecture that corrects critical safety infrastructure component such as real estate, transportation, healthcare, education, emergency response, and.  Moreover, it is smart to consider Smart City to stimulate the city's economy, improve our health, safety, as well as education, and achieve the environmental sustainability. 

Throughout all this process, I will say that intelligent services play a key role.  In this slide, let me first propose our reason about Smart City, which is a sustainable city of cost with trees along the road, and ecofriendly vehicular and different kinds of smart element, including smart education, smart emergency, smart care, smart opportunity, and so on.  So smart function of Smart City.  I have shown in the previous slide can be divided into three divisions.  Smart government, smart industry.

For different propose, and the most importantly, these functions are being by say smart architecture which I will briefly example later.  The primary idea behind them are different.  Smart government is basically the idea of the information sharing and the business collaboration.  Smart industry is based on the idea of transportation, economy, boosts of industry.  In fact, with more forests, the related field of business clustered together.  The costs of production may decline significantly.  Smart likelihood based on the idea of IT and social livelihood, services where we'll see more examples in the last slide.

Here you can see are respect to idea, here we introduce 15 user scenarios as an example.  The smart government of the regions have, for example, public services, management, and so on.  In order to improve the efficiency of a government services of administration and enhance the government ability to respond to emergency and natural disasters.  The smart industrial region has smart agriculture and so on.  Smart likelihood as such as application scenario in order to, for example, achieve sustainable development for culture and education costs for information technology.

Historically, IBM was the first ‑‑ was one of the first to elaborate the concept of Smart City.  And the smart planet.  In the year 2009, the concept was extensively developed and being widely accepted by all levels of governments in many countries.  You can see the first left, Stockholm in Sweden, Hong Kong, Beijing, New York and different cities worldwide.  The right figure, you can see different cities in China, for example, Quanto, Wuhan is my home time Shanghai, and (Indiscernible).

Let us look, first look at the optimization urbanization race in China from the 1990s to 2012.  You can see we can project in this rate to approximately 70 percent by the year 2020.  Is okay?  Okay.  Consider that China has 1.4 billion people.  Urbanization in China is large in scale and the fast progressing.  In the meantime, we are also experiencing industrialization and the informalization which cause lots of pressure to the Chinese government but also create massive opportunities.  This optimization background, move forward to be worldwide to Smart Cities.

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I'm sorry?  So, Smart City is very important.  Okay. Look at how we'll view a Smart City.  Smart City architecture can generally be purchased in four layers.  The first layer, will give us a speech about a smart layer.  The last layer, for example, anybody and mobile technology.  Internet and mobile technology is different.  Maybe combine and mobile technology, called mobile internet.  But maybe want to combine several things together.

For platform layer, for example, public information platform, Cloud services platform, and some other platforms.  For application layer, you can see smart government, smart industry, smart livelihood and others.

From this slide you can see, major communication and mobile technology, you can see the first generation for mobile communication is about in 1980's.  And second in 1990's.  And in the year 2010, we used the data is more than 100 per second 6,789 sometimes maybe several hundred per second.  We viewed in the year 2009, we saw 1.5 per second for laboratory.  The data is about 13.5 TB per second, which is 135 times the of current 4G so the debt rate is much higher to others.

To cope with faster development of mobile technology, mobile carriers themselves are faster in terms of screen size, processor speed, and storage and capacity.  Now, they are not only communication devices but also supporting different type of services.  There are two facts you may find interesting.  The first is you can see smartphone is equivalent to a PC produced eight years ago.  For example, a PC built in 2001, smartphone the same.  Standard REM, almost the same.  Storage and capacity, almost the same.  And the display, almost the same.

So the second fact you can see a sentiment of smartphone and tablet PC, you can see the PC in the year 2015, if it was reported that for fewer than half of new internet users access the web with this top, you see.  Smartphone was instead their first devices of choice.  All these process in the mobile industry provide firm support for building smart and sustainable city.  Let us see three examples that adopt Smart City concept and use mobile technology.  Each come from one of the regions.  From smart government to smart livelihood. 

In the year 2014, some were used only because games were held from 16 to 28 August in China.  Games will coordinate and emerging across by our game time commander information systems is, youths, education providing services.  Founding seats and replying to some requirement about the packing, for example, and even information, et cetera.  The games main operation center was praised by Jack Gregor, a chairman of IOC, as the best main operations center.  4.0, as you may know, industry 4.0 is the current trend of manufacturer.  With medical technologies and it is the key symbol to solidify the production process as well as increasing the productivity.  In the year 2015, our government has launched tone years national plan, in China 25 to enhance the manufacturer industry.  And in this time, maybe we use.  This slide shows us something about trees, and which tables supply chain.

And this is about food safety.  And which tables attack with tracing ID.  Printed, so that the consumer can use this ID information to trace back the supply chain so there are more ABP, telephone ‑‑ mobile, telephone and website.  And finally for our last step, first one, policy aspect.  Policy maker play a very important role in the smart safety development.  Also, more than 300 cities in China has initiate Smart City project where we're still inspecting the figure to keep engrossing in the next few years.  Second, majority investment is paid constructing buildings accounting for about 73 percent for total investment compared to 10 percent of software services investment.  Software services, management and operator of buildings.

So, I think it's time to upgrade our software to keep up with construction speed.  So maybe we should do something in this area.  So, this all about my point of view about Smart City.  Thank you very much


Second, I would like to invite Jaap Haenen.  He is CIO and member of the Board of Directors of the city and has been appointed in 2011 has the smartest region in the world.  And is known for the innovations and the age of the technology and design.  The city currently instrumental on the first levels with employing big data and technology to solve social problems.  So excuse me, how to make the presentation for online presentation?  Yeah.  ‑‑

>> What trying to do?

>> Online.

>> Can you hear me?

>> Hello?  Mr. Haenen?

>> JAAP HAENEN: Okay.  The first slide is about ‑‑ thank you very much for having me here.  My name is Jaap Haenen and I'm the CIO and member of the Board of Directors of the municipality of Eindhoven.  Local government can and should play a role when it comes to the use and technology of data in order to enhance the wellbeing of citizens.  Next slide, please.

>> Please tell me page number.

>> JAAP HAENEN: Sorry?

>> Please tell me the page number.  Page number.

>> JAAP HAENEN: I can't hear you.  The idea of Eindhoven is the fifth city in the Netherlands situated in the southeast of the country and accompanying about a hundred million residents.  You have ‑‑ you have to wait with the slides because you're too fast.  Do you hear me?  I'm sorry.  Can you hear me?  We are achieving this participation by keeping our city as a testing ground to all parties that want to experiment with new technology for the good of the idea and wellbeing of the citizens.  Let me show a few examples.  The next slide, please.  Yes, this is a street full of bars and pubs in the heart of Eindhoven.  Incidents sometimes happen.  We experiment on how to improve the safety and atmosphere.  For example, can we use a different color of light to tame aggression, or can we prevent a fight from starting by using light.  All data is fully anonymized so we use the light as an intervention.  Next slide, please.

Due to close cooperation with Phillips, light is in the DNA of our city.  We are installing a smart light grid all over the city based on the public lighting infrastructure.  In the coming five years, we will have our partners experiment in five areas of the city with how to use new technologies to improve living conditions for and in cooperation together with the citizens in these areas.  Next slide, please.

This is Arias, a citizen's initiative to monitor air quality and fight pollution.  They install highly precise air quality sensors and even give them to people.  Airiua analyzes air quality data and takes initiative to improve it.  While working together in a number of experiments, for example, how to manage traffic to reduce pollution.  Next slide, please.

And this is Tribesh where Phillips factory used to be.  Now it's a lively district full of young entrepreneurs, cafes and where new ideas are born.  Tribesh is part of the European cooperation project where this community is called to develop smart solutions for the area.  Next slide, please.

Together with our partners, we need to safe guard public interests, stimulate economic development and new ecosystem.  Framed developments to help support the existing organic approach, and we also need to be ready for the future, ready for change it may bring.  Next slide, please.

First of all, we need to make sure that data collected in a public space is used for the public goods.  Data plays a vital role in the transition towards a smart society.  We believe that if an open multipurpose platform is applied in a public domain, data can empower people to become active producer of societal and to ensure a strong foundation on which to build the smart society, we need to regular late at different levels.

This is why Eindhoven has developed different ways to deal with data in the public domain.  Next slide, please.  It's crucial that on a local level, the rules of the game for new technology in the public space are designed in a way that facilitate innovation to the maximum possible extent.  We need to afford data and technical discourage business models in the space that are based on monopolizing or selling citizen's data.  This is why we developed the IOT charter you see now.  We did it together with big and small companies, Universities, and other government organizations.  This charter is the basis for all future smart city developments.  Next slide, please.

The charter is just the beginning of an open conversation we constantly have as a local government with all parties enforced in the development of smart society.  We are actively testing our innovative policies, working out detailed specification and setting them into practice.  We are also working on establishing innovative policies nation‑wide in the Netherlands and in the European Union.  For example, by the north society forum with our team in Brussels working together with other cities in Europe.  Next slide, please.

the smart society will not happen by itself.  Municipalities, institutions, companies and engaged citizens Ned to be informed and inspired to participate.  At the yearly light fest I feel in Eindhoven, we want to be an inclusive city.  This year, 730 people visited the festival in one week.  We invite you to join us on this journey and share in our searches.  Thank you.  ‑‑ success.  Thank you.  This was my presentation.

>> Thank you.


>> Thank you.

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>> MODERATOR:  Next I will invite Ines.  Internet policy analyst with ISOC and teacher, and she has great experience in the implementation of government policies and the digital economy with sustainable develop framework.  Ms. Ines, you have the floor.

>> INES HFAIEDH: Okay.  Good morning, everyone.

(speaking non English language)

  Welcome to our workshop.  Whether you are following us remotely or in person, welcome.  I'm Ines Hfaiedh.  I'm a teacher in Africa.  I having working in that field for the past six years.  I was really interested in participating in this workshop because I really felt that smart and sustainable cities are a great thinking, but how can we achieve that without investing in the persons?  Without investing in education?  In teachers?  And how to prepare people who can use and take advantage of those sustainable cities.  Next slide, please.

Basically, today, I'll be speaking, I'll be having two parts.  The first part will be dealing with, why invest in education for developing countries?  Why it has become vital.  And the second part is to show how ICTs, Internet and Communication technologies support innovation and how investing in ICTs is a value chain and this can fuel the developing countries, the overall performance like at the economic, social, and et cetera levels.  Next slide, please.

Okay. So why is innovation and education now urgent for developing countries?  Okay. Some teachers like myself in Tunisia, it's a developing country, of course.  We opt foreign he violation but this, fortunately ‑‑ opt for innovation, but this, unfortunately, so far comes from pedagogical.  We don't have government support or institutional support.  We don't really have the facilities.  We're just making it happen on a daily basis.  It's not easy, but we make it happen.  So far, in most developing countries, we don't have any financial or technical supports.  Next slide, please.  Okay. That's a very, very interesting figure and it has to do with the global learning crisis and the expected learning outcomes in 2030.  So here, we have the lough income countries.  So I ‑‑ the low income countries.  By 2030, 69 percent will not learn basic primary level skills.  69 percent.  In middle income countries, 21 percent will not have basic primary levels and 49 percent will learn minimum secondary level skills.

In high income and developed countries, 70 percent by 2030 will learn minimum secondary level skills.  Next slide.  So what do we expect when we implement ICTs in education?  We expect that in countries like Tunisia we can create a black board which would facilitate for teachers the learn and teaching process.  It's a platform for every school and University.  We are expected as a teacher to teach 21st century skills.  What do I mean by that?  Higher order thinking, problem solving, cooperation, to be ready to be global citizens because the world is really advancing at very, very fast pace.  We are expected to follow international standards of education.  And if you allow me, those international standards of education, we feel that the difference in those standards between courts is becoming less important but it is still persistent.  And I come from Africa, and I can tell that the standards are still very ‑‑ we're not keeping up.  ICTs technologies facilitate the personalization and individualization of learning and I'll be explaining that on another slide.

With we teach IT skills, we are helping our students to become IT ‑‑ to be ready for the IT oriented jobs and the new job markets and also we can work on books like national educational sources in local languages for local context.  And also, when we are expected to create indexes and indicators to assess the overall performance so this creates at the local and international level, this creates some competition but also helps us in developing the standards.  Next slide, please.  Okay.

Another very interesting figure, so, for each one dollar invested in an additional year of schooling, in low income countries, the earning benefits would be five dollars.  In lower middle income, it would be three dollars.  And in upper middle income, it would be one dollar.  So, a dollar invested in an additional year of schooling generates ten dollars in benefits in low income countries.  Maybe some people would say, what is the ten dollars?  Ten dollars?  Some developing countries is a lot of money, so it makes a difference.  Okay.

Okay. The second part is, how technologies support the innovation process and how it becomes a value chain.  Next slide.

Okay. So, technologies.  As a teacher, I have noticed that technologies for my students who are, most of them, all of us, we are becoming IT oriented and interested on Facebook, et cetera, social media.  So technologies have restored curiosity to education.  Like we take our students on journeys through time and space, movies, videos, audio technology.  This is priceless for students.  Especially that I teach at a country side area.  Like when I talk about some music, some video, some movie.  When I don't have it to show it to my students, it's just static.  There is nothing that happens.  The learn asking not take place at all.  We bring standard movement to the static textbook lessons.  This helps us overcome the geographical problems.  Especially there are problems for gender issues shall especially for women to join schools.  We eliminate the artificial boundaries between schools and the outside world and this helps us in promoting the global citizenship concept in our students.  Next slide.  Okay.

So the Modus Operandi.  First we personalize the learning experience in that we tailor lessons and feedback to our students.  We deliver feedback rapidly and effectively.  Like, for example, the student can do the homework at night and send you his homework the same night and you could give him the feedback rapidly and in effective way, you target, especially the weaknesses.  And as the next day, I know as a teacher what are the weaknesses of my students so I can focus on those weaknesses and change the whole lesson.  So it's not pointless.  It's going to be, I will have my target points to focus on.

Also the technology are changing our teaching models like blended technology or the flipped classroom.  The flipped classroom means most of the learning happens outside the classroom.  It happens at home.  Like you have the resources and you focus on those resources and you start using your brains and you start like higher thinking.  In the classroom, we use the classroom actually for discussion, for practice, et cetera.  Also it helps in the teacher development because I can go on any other platform or came bridge for students and check those resources and develop and chick the star teachers and I can learn a lot from them.  So technologies that support the technology.  The opening resources are priceless for us because it not only helps the students but they develop so much that they also are for us as teachers and we can build the whole lesson around those open educational resources.  Now also in Tunisia, we have full textbooks free online.

Our students, especially from lower background or who have limited financial resources, they can have the free textbooks.  Also we can update the information online versus a national strategy.  In Tunisia, we have been the same textbooks.  We ask on yearly basis for reform and we still cannot have reform on program.  So the road map.  We can have the academia, the private sector, the Ministries, the public institutions, et cetera.  And it has to be as inclusive as possible.  Next step.  The mechanism of support of the projects so we have the regulation and legal aspects of the best policy but if we don't have the regulation and best ideas, if we don't have the ICT legal framework.  We need the consistency.  If a teacher, if he or she does not have the skills to use them, it's pointless, absolutely pointless.  M‑hmm.  Next.

And last but not least, the digital trust, the national response plan in case of threat to cybersecurity is very, very important.  Next.  So finally, we need to invest in people.  This is my point.  The most important point of this presentation, we must invest in people first and education.  We must prepare those people to the sustainable and Smart Cities.  We must raise the public awareness.

We must involve the youth, and largely stakeholders discussion.  We must have the policy foundation, of course, and little by little, it's not easy.  They can be adopted and also invest in education as a value chain.  This is my point.  Next slide, please.

Okay. So I would like to finish with this wonderful, wonderful quote from Nelson Mandela.

"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world."

Okay. Thank you very much.  I hope you enjoyed it.

>> MODERATOR:  Okay.  Our last speaker, Ms. Han.  Electronic engineer from USC, California.  Used to serve as program officer in ICC.  Regional development and reform commission of China.

>> Is okay? 

>> MODERATOR:  You have the floor, please.

>> MS. HAN:  Thank you Professor Tao and thank you for inviting me to this workshop.  This is ‑‑ you can call me Polo.  Today I would like to talk about adopting the network and introduce why international standards jointly approved by IEC and IEEE.  Smart City is a password written here ‑‑ as new technologies such as internet and ethics are being deployed, the future of Smart City is quite near.  Something life new styles of life.

Meanwhile, governments also launched series of policies to encourage the opportunity for Smart City.  We can see from the page in a take China for example, there are some great goals and huge financial support, for Beijing, those cities put forward their own planning for the development of smart city.  And there are different layers of concept for smart city.  Smart City as well as smart management at the very foundation for it.  When to comes to smart management as it relates to smart home, smart community, and also smart efficient system within it. 

Smart leverage has a broader range and covers that are involved with our daily life.  Smart industry has the highest diversity, and where future Smart City burst from in the coming decades.  However, before taking the routes, there are still some problems and here are two of the technical problems we're facing.  The first one as it relates to the compatibility of database, and the second one is the compatibility of industrial.  One way to solve this problem of communication and storage standard approved by IEC and IEEE.  These standards developed jointly by group and top University.  Here is our solution. 

Normally, traditional management is different vertical lock on different systems that the last parts.  It's hard for them to scale or communicate with each other.  However, through horizontal cooperation like the red part of the page, a platform with open interface allows different areas to communicate with each other.  Standard 18,880 is based on multiple protocol interoperability of smart gateway and is also compatible with traditional industrial bus.  The goal of these standards is be secure, be effective, be unified, and be open.  The standard was last year in 2015.  It was based on HTTP defining communication hoed and also standardized communication interface. 

It's comparable with different industrial buckets under the gateway layer and it's changing and restoring data through our unified mode.  These standards make it possible to build a data sharing platform for big data mining for the future.  In fact, standards 18,880 is developed from a protocol cluster which is IEEE1888.  We can see from the page that the standard for control and management.  Point two is for network convergence.  Point three is for communication security and point four for different applications and scenarios of smart home.  There are many more in these IEEE family tree.

similar as traditional internet structures, there are four layers for a Smart City.  The standards serve above the transport layer and it defines how data is stored in the platform.  We can see from the map that it deployed many in the identity.  The data we aim to analyze is mainly about energy data of water, electricity, heat and gas.  Through the platform operation is able to access how it works operates all over the city at any time therefore to build an integrated command system to control and manage the resources and to reacts to emergency quickly.  Here is a larger ‑‑ the left column of analysis of central data and the red column is the data mining of the management platform and they share data with a unified form within the database.  Okay.  Here is another you heard about.

People who came from the last meeting must remember this vigorous city.  Whether they significantly damage a city's economic development and where the risk control, it's very important to work for the local federal government ‑‑ all over you can see from the map.  Hire is one example how the sensory in different heights that can capture the data of wind temperature, humidity and also pressure.  Finally the road map of the ecosystem of the Cloud platform for the Smart City.

We can see the development of Smart City relates to multistakeholders and our future life smart city will be very different from how leave now since the data is shared on the Cloud form.  The Cloud services improve each other to make the city smarter.  I don't know if people also getting smarter because of this, although I really doubt that.  But let's look forward to it.  Thank you


>> MODERATOR:  It's time for Q and A.

>> IAN FISHER: My name is Ian Fisher.  I'm from BCS in UK and I have a question for Jaap if he's still on.  I presume he is.

>> No.

>> IAN FISHER: No he's not?  Well, maybe the others might want to consider.  I was interested in an important thing for Smart Cities in what criteria they used in Eindhoven to put privacy first in the use of data from sensors in the city.  Fortunately, he's not on so he can't answer that question himself, but you may wish to consider it between the panel.

>> Hello, I am from the Republic.  I just have two comments.  One on Smart City.  We have best practices.  In capital of the republic we've been trying to launch Smart City for the past few years but the miff interior, the police is a conflict of interest.  Police is not really interested in Smart City because it would mean they had less jobs or less bribes to take and now we are revisiting and the city council is going to be involved in implementing project.

Other comment on presentation.  We wanted to bring smart technologies to schools, but what happened is that schools will receive equipment, computers, but children will not able to use them because teachers think that it's very expensive equipment and children will break them so they lock up the classrooms.  And that was also kind of bad practice.  Thank you.

>> INES HFAIEDH: Hello.  Thank you very much for talking about this because we had exactly same issue in Tunisia and it's a rural area where I teach so we have the equipment but the problem is that our students had the equipment at high school but most of them have never, ever used a computer.  Also some teachers did not have the training to use technology so also at our school we had to do that as well and also we have a very, very huge problem with the internet coverage and sometimes we don't even have electricity so I know how it feels in rural areas so I feel that even sometimes we can do a lot of things offline, especially when you have the software, program, we can do that offline and teach a lot of that.  So as teachers, we are made of something that makes us always creative and always find solutions and always thinking in the toughest conditions.  Thank you very much.

>> Hi.  I just want to talk about something.  He said that the policeman didn't like the idea of Smart City.  It's because, I mean, we have artificial intelligence also and this means that it's going to come in massive wave of unemployment, like not only China but around the world.  So I was wondering if you also have a plan or have talked about what are you going to do with all these people that are going to lose their jobs because for me, it's going to happen.  Thanks.

>> While I think although from our city it's a hot topic this year and we'll really take a long time to achieve what we are thinking about.  And I think we always face the problem that whenever there is innovation that happens and there is account but I think with the development of technologies, there will be new provisions to solve the problem.  Yes, for making a Smart City, maybe the first important task for us is to choose a certain aspect, choose that it's very important.  Thank you.

>> AUDIENCE:  Thank you.  I come from Sweden and thank you for a lot of interesting presentations.  I want to come back to the very first one that was made in Chinese by Mr. ‑‑ I think.  It's interesting to hear that the Chinese government is it measuring, the presentation includes seven measures or indexes for Smart City and I wanted to know if the Chinese government also has set up objectives or goals for those measurements.  Thank you.

>> Maybe I have slides about the tactic of our government.  In the year 2020, maybe 70 percent increasement from now.  70 percent increasement.  Maybe.  I have a slide about target, but I'm not quite sure.  Maybe the lumber should be increased by about 30 percent.  Thank you.

>> We have eight kinds of parameters and the government wants to test current smart cities.  Currently, maybe 500 to 700.  The government wants to develop the city with eight kinds of parameters.  Thank you.

>> Yeah.  One of the Smart Cities and I'm actually quite interested how you define those eight parameters that you mentioned.  Can you elaborate a little bit?  Since I'm quite interested to know how you measure the Smart City can be smart.  Yeah.

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>> Eight kinds of parameters.  The first one is for several people.  More accurate solution for the government.  The parameter is livelihood.  ‑‑ third parameter is livelihood.  The fourth parameter is smart devices, including wide band access.  The fifth, information, resources sharing.  Openness.  Network security including network security management and the data security.  Form and creation and experiments of the citizen.

>> Question from remote participant.

>> Okay.  Well, thank you so much.  Can you hear me?  Excuse me.  Hello?  Hello?  Professor, do you hear me?  Can you hear me?

>> MODERATOR:  Yeah, please introduce your name and organization and question.

>> SOMAYA:  Okay.  Yeah.  I'm Somaya.  I'm from Iran.  I'm studying Beijing and western communication in China.  Thank you so much for this interesting presentation.  My question is about air pollution.  As you know, air pollution is the big issue in the whole world and actually in China at one of the biggest China in the whole world.  So I want to know about, is there any implementation from China's government for this issue.  Because I think inclusion is, it's very important, but I think it's not mentioned a lot about this key word in the smart city platform.  So, I want to know more about these things.  Is there any implementation in this part or not?  Thank you so much.

>> MODERATOR:  Thank you.

>> You're welcome.

>> MODERATOR:  Well, thank you for your question.  The monitoring for air pollution is definitely our next move.  Currently, our standards focus on the energy network solution.  And air pollution for our next move, we're going to physical sites around the city and which can capture the data of air pollution and set alarm about those datas to indicate which area has more severe problem and to find out the source of the problem.  That's currently on our focus on the energy network.  Thank you.

>> Yeah, I was going to comment also on implementation.  I was thinking the first one in the near future, just as I said, IOT, maybe smart kinds of, maybe can use this kind of technology.  And second, of course, let me introduce with you some protocol, maybe.  Okay. Thank you.  More questions?

>> Yeah, thank you.

>> Okay.  Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> MODERATOR:  So, any questions?

>> So, I have a question.


>> So, you're a teacher.  For middle school or junior school?  What kind of school?

>> INES HFAIEDH: I'm a teacher at high school.

>> High school?


>> Okay. so in your school, how many students?  Interested in book, courses.

>> INES HFAIEDH: I think that most of our students are now technology‑oriented and they really prefer a slide or something they see on a screen rather than a page or paper.  They are becoming a bit allergic to papers.  So that's why, I think that most of our students that would be interested in that.  So, that's why technically I am working the Ministry of Education but I am technically also affiliated with the Technology ICCs in Tunisia so it's a huge project and I hope we will have the political incentive as well as the technical and financial facilities to start a MUK but it's really important for me to stress that MUKs should not be taken from outside of the country.  It should be adapted to the context, and why not, in the local languages.  It could be really more effective in the teaching and learning process, and I think it's ‑‑ this is the future.  Open educational resources are the future in our countries.  Thank you very much for the question.

>> Thank you very much.

>> MODERATOR: Okay. Any more questions?  We still have several minutes.  Okay.  Please.

>> AUDIENCE:  Okay.  Thank you.  I am from West Africa.  And have just ‑‑ I want to comment the presentation.  First of all, I want to congratulate you for the topics because the topic of Smart Cities is an important topic.

Africa, our government is involved in this project.  I know China is the first person to accompany this kind of project.  I wanted to meant about the last present ‑‑ comment about the last presentation.  At the end of his presentation, he said something like smart cities will train to have people, not sure.  Smart Cities will train to have people as smart as the cities.  It's true that this is possible only through presentation.  That's why the presentation of my sister, Ines, is very important.  I think when people really educated, they will behave as a smart people, too.  And my request would be to have a copy of your presentations and to go through more deeply and comment.  Thank you.

>> Thank you.  You want to say something about your slides?

>> Well, thank you for your comments.  I think that's a good question.  Every time people have some technology innovation, see our recognition of human, like a huge upgrades like when people invent the printing technology.  So maybe in the first several years, that people think if you cannot like hand copy something, you are not smart as before.  But later the recognition upgrades and the people won't think that anymore.  So I think the Smart City is like the new life and we can look forward to that which it leads us to.  Thank you.

>> MODERATOR:  Thank you.  More questions from?

>> AUDIENCE:  I have a question.

>> MODERATOR:  Please.

>> AUDIENCE:  Hello.

>> MODERATOR:  Please tell me your name, organization, and question.

>> JUDY:  Okay.  I'm Judy.  I'm from International Urban Construction Consulting Institute.  My major now is about Smart City.  And could you hear me clearly?


>> JUDY:  Okay.  Great.  My question is about in the workshop, many ICTs has been discussed, right?  Like internet allocation and broadband communication technology and Cloud and I wonder, like, your speakers, your distinguished speakers are the expert on Smart City so what would you think, which ICTs or related are essential for us to start our Smart City construction because we think Smart City is just in the beginning for our ‑‑ some places has been smart, but others on the way and another question how could especially developing countries develop these essential SEPs to pave their way to the Smart City‑pave their way to the smart city to make the city smart and sustainable.

>> Well, I cannot speak for all the technical community but our work from the internet infrastructure and I can say that especially for our developing countries it's very crucial to promote the deployment of IPV6.  If in the future we're going to have some technical innovation.  It's very critical that everyone have unique IP address and development of IPV6 is not that in developing countries.  We are just back from India, and they made a very remarkable progress in the promotion which goes from one person to ten persons within ten months.  And I think that's a good example for the developing countries and I think that's a good example for the developing countries to promote the infrastructure.  Thank you.

>> You use IPV technology for your teaching?  Maybe you would prefer choosing technology in your teaching.

>> INES HFAIEDH: Technologies, our students love their smartphones.  We try to personalize the experience.  I can give you an example, in order to practice comments and directions, et cetera, and please those kind of words with my students.  For example, I gave them the task of opening their smartphones and using Google Maps and we went to a very different country.  We went to Paris and I told them that you are a tourist and you would like to go to the Eiffel Tower and these kinds of practice and using their phones and using technologies make our students super excited. 

That's why, for example, also we had to practice the time and recovery related to flying and traveling.  I gave them the website that I would not cite right now, but I gave them a website and I told them, you are a travel agent and you're going to organize a whole trip with your friends to a very distinguished speaker guest who's coming to your country.

So, these kind of exercises and practices, they are really motivating.  They are really interactive and motivating to our students and this is what we are trying to create in our classrooms.  Thank you.

>> MODERATOR:  Thank you.  Okay. So I want to make a conclusion.  Mainly address some policy and status of current Chinese Smart Cities.  I and Mr. Chon merely addressed some technologies but from my point of view, maybe technology and many addressed technology about HOE technology.  And from Ines, gave us something about ICT implementation in education.  And Mr. Jaap Haenen is our CIO in Eindhoven.  So, I think Smart City is very hot topic.  Maybe, for example, in China, usually we use some technology for Smart City construction.  Smart City maybe is a long way to go.  So, we should do something for technologies and policy, maybe some training for

So thank all our speakers to share experiments for us and thank all audience for your participation.  Thank you.  We close our session.  Thank you very much.


(Session was concluded at 1:30 p.m. CST)