IGF 2016 - Day 1 - Room 10 - OF53: Youth IGF EU Delegation


The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during the Eleventh Annual Meeting of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Jalisco, Mexico, from 5 to 9 December 2016. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the event, but should not be treated as an authoritative record. 


>> LEE HIBBARD: Hello?  One minute.  And then everything explodes.  It's Okay. It's okay.  Can everybody hear?  Hello?  Take a seat.  Okay. Apparently, there's a lot of people who want to come into the room.  This room is way too small.  But, no, no.  I am not Pilar.  Okay.  Just for the record ‑‑ yes, I'm going to say my name.  Hello, everybody.  For the record, it's funny.  Yeah.  Yeah.  We need some jokes.  We need some laughter.  Keep the laughter going.  Listen.  Okay. hello, everybody.  Okay. For the record, my name is Lee Hibbard.  I am from the Council of Europe, and I welcome you to this dialogue, this Open Forum invitation for dialogue between decision makers and the Youth IGF in conjunction with the E.U. delegation.  For the record, I'm not Pilar.  Pilar is on the second row and should be speaking a little bit later.

I'm sorry for those who are not in the room, who can't get into the room, but if you get bored, you can always leave and bring ‑‑

>> Ten seconds for the streaming, right?

>> LEE HIBBARD: Yes.  Okay.

>> On the five, four, three, two, one, and you start to speak.  Okay?

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay. I'm waiting.

>> Five, four, three, two, one.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  Wow.  Welcome, everybody.  Let's clap.


Thank you.  And welcome.  Welcome to this Open Forum on dialogue between decision‑makers and the young, different young people from across the world.  We have some here.  We have some European youth delegates and this is being organized in conjunction with the organization together between cybercrime and E.U. delegation, which are wonderful.  Thank you for coming. 

My name is Lee Hibbard.  I'm the moderator for this conversation from the Council of Europe, it's going to be a dialogue, very open and very interactive.  It's really exciting that we have many people I hope on remote from the different youth groupings who are going to come in.  Unfortunately, we have only one hour together and it's already ticking.  I'm going to be really, really short.  I ask you to be really, really short but get your point across.  I have a co‑moderator from the French youth grouping, Sabrina Abualhaiga.  Maybe.  Almost.  I'm sorry, we have Stuart Hamilton from IFLA and many colleagues from the E.U., including European parliament.  I'm looking for Megan Richards.  I don't see her.  She was supposed to come in, but hopefully later.  And we have Pilar Del Castillo from the European that will make a short going forward.  We're going to start.

Pilar, can I ask you to give a few words about why we're here bringing youth to the table to talk about decision makers, what that means for you, for the E.U., for European parliament and if I could ask you to be quite short.  I would ask Marilia Maciel from the DiploFoundation to keep me on time.

>> PILAR DEL CASTILLO: Thank you very much for the opportunity to be here with you today.  We are a delegation from the European parliament composed of 12 members of European parliament of different committees, different Member States from Europe.  What I would like to tell you I'm going to take an example from the committee we have been participating on.  Which it was on internet, and security.  Well, in that context, we were debating with the US people and there is initiatives in which the multistakeholder approach to these specific issues is absolutely one of the most important trends in technology.  The opinion of the stakeholders, this is extremely important to the experience when they face these new trends technologies.  When using connected devices.  In the development of Internet of Things, all experience for those digital people, very advanced in the daily life users.

I think it's important.  The angle is totally different.  And this angle, which is the present and is the future, should be present at the top level.  So that's my reflection.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much.


>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  Right, we're going to car carry on.  I want to bring Sabrina.  Sabrina is a youth ambassador from France, my co‑moderator.  I wanted to say some words from a youth perspective.  What do you say to Pilar to your decision makers in the room.  Thank you.

>> SABRINA ABUALHAIGA: Hello, everyone.  Everybody hear me?  Thank you.  Okay.  So hello, I'm Sabrina.  I'm 24 years old and I'm Youth IGA ambassadors.  I participated in the organization of the meeting of the youth in France.  And so I'm here today with Ted from France, my colleague.  Hi, Ted.  Yeah.  Just shy.  Okay. And, yeah.  And as well as Nicola from Uruguay and Abdir from Chad.  We're here to deliver the message of our meeting.  Oh, yeah.  You're here.  Okay. (laughter).  Hello.  Okay, yes.

we are here to deliver the message of our meetings.  There are many of us from other countries such as Bangladesh, IT, Liberia, Lithuania, Pakistan, present online.  And they will present.  We are very happy to be here today because we have this opportunity to deliver our message to the decision makers.  As always, we say that the voice of young is important, but the difficulty is how we can deliver the youth voice to the decision makers.  And this is the issue.  And that's why in this point this Open Forum is unique.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much, Sabrina.  Sabrina is also going to bring about an ideas box.

>> SABRINA ABUALHAIGA: I would also like to say that we have a box for ideas, so before leaving, if you have ideas to share with us on what's next on what can be our follow ups or the feedback on this meeting, please just leave your ideas in my idea box.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you Sabrina.  So let's get started.  Megan, I'm going to cue you up in 30 seconds.  I just wanted to say that there have been over the last year 15 different youth events across the world.  I think it's worth naming the countries and our friends from the youth in different countries who took the time to meet and discuss.  Bangladesh, Chad, Czech Republic, India, France, Haiti, Kenya, Liberia, Lithuania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia, Sudan, Ukraine, and Uruguay.  That's a lot of youth mobilizing.  That's pretty impressive, I would say.

I hope you have the documents on your chairs with the summary of the meetings and nice photographs.  I think it's really impressive to see the mobilization of young people on these issues, so thank you to you.  Megan Richards, can I ask you to be very brief?

>> MEGAN RICHARDS: I'm always brief.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Yes, very brief before we carry on with the discussion of remote participants.

>> MEGAN RICHARDS: Absolutely.  Good morning, everyone.  It's wonderful to see so many of you here.  It's like squeezing as many people as you can into a Volkswagen.  I think we should get an even smaller room.  I'm not going to tell you how old I am, but I feel 18 so I feel in exactly the right spot.  I have a couple of messages for you.  One is that you are the future, of course, of the internet.  Of us in this room over 25 have experienced the benefit that the internet has brought to us over the last 20 years.  What is important for you is to make sure that those benefits and advantages continue in the future. 

We've seen with the rise and expanse of the internet in the only the benefits but also many of the bad things.  Cybercrimes, cybersecurity, challenges, et cetera.  So what we have to do is make sure in the future the benefits dominate and that you have get to have these very many benefits of communication, economy, innovation, et cetera.  So this is where your role is really very important.

The other thing I wanted to mention to you is that I think your message is, of course, very important, which Sabrina said, but you should not hive off into a separate Youth IGA.  You should be knocking on the doors.  You should be interrupting these sessions.  You should be contributing.  You should be participating in all the main sessions because your voice is very important.  You are the future, as you know.  And you are the ones who are going to determine how things work in the future.

So, if you have your Youth IGA and discuss all sorts of things in one group, the rest of us won't hear it so your contribution and participation is really very important so I look forward to seeing all of you.  And don't worry about how old everyone is.  We're all young at heart because we all use the internet.  So thanks.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much, Megan.  I would say the youth of today are also the forefront, the battle front of Internet of Things and all the technology to come.  Data portability we hear a lot more about.  Choices have to be made.  I really salute you in going forward and making those choices also based upon human rights.  I would like to cue up a message now from Lambert van Nistelrooij.  Excuse me.  You can come to the front, maybe.  Apologies for pronouncing your name incorrectly.  Please, you have the floor if you could be brief.

>> LAMBERT VAN NISTELROOIJ: Just one main comment to the audience today.  When I look here to the young people and where they come from.  In these days, from Europe, we also work on digital.  On the ICT world and the competitiveness, cooperation to both.  But all these countries can be their own valleys.  The road to the valley is to use the internet.  And I have to question to the audience, especially to the youngsters, how they perceive the possibilities to start their own company from Bangladesh, from Russia, from France, et cetera.  Because there is a lot to be gained both in quality of life but also in entrepreneurship.  That's what we immediate.  And maybe I give this message to you to think about and to get something back in this session.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  That's a very important message.  Yes.  Indeed.  Thank you very much for that.  I'm going to cue up also Stuart Hamilton, who's with us.  But before I get to Stuart, I want to ask a question to the audience but also, I'm going to cue up Julie first before you.  But I'd like you to think about a question from our remote colleagues from the youth delegate and also the room, too.  But before that, one of the main organizers of this session is Yuliya, and she's not with us.  She's on remote.  Is she ready to speak?  You have the floor, please be brief.  Thank you.


>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay. Yuliya.  Go for it.

>> YULIYA MORENETS: Thank you, Lee, for allowing me to speak today.  My name is Yuliya Morenets.  It was born in the Council of Europe in 2011 where we organized a meeting with youth age 14 to 16 years old to discuss government issues and based on their recommendations was Youth IGA, which became Youth IGA movement this year in 2016.  Which became actually a platform that allows the young to organize meetings at local, regional, national levels to discuss internet governance related issues.  I would like, first of all, to thank these young people who organized the meetings from all over the world from Haiti to Pakistan this year.  We started this year the project with zero budget, and I think this is just fantastic and shows the engagement, how they are interested in this subject.  Afterwards, a came a number of partners who supported us, and I would like to thank these partners, other local and regional partners for their support.

I would like also to say that the Youth IGF movement today ‑‑ last words to be short, I would like to thank the European delegation for having accepted and coordinated this meeting with us and to come and discuss they were actually preparing for this message for a number of months where they are very much all on site or online to speak to you.  And I hope that the discussions will be very fruitful and allow the constructive outcomes.  Thank you so much.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay, thank you.  Very kind of you.  We are sort of on time.  I'm going to go to Stuart now to ask a question before we go to remote and we'll start with the Czech Republic before Bangladesh.  I'd like to say thank you to Julie Ward, you'll be doing part of the wrap‑up.  Thank you.  Stuart.

>> STUART HAMILTON: Hi, everybody.  I'm here from the library sector and extremely pleased to hear so many voices.  It will probably come as no surprise to you that as a librarian I'm interested in how young people access information.  The question I have is, we're hearing so much about fake news, about living in a post‑truth society.  So I'd ask the remote participants, particularly, but everybody in the room, where do Youth IGF colleagues go to find their information online?  What is their most trustworthy source and why do theses find that trustworthy?  For me and for awful us using the internet, I think that's a good question to bring into.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Good question.  I would like your views, too.  I think we have ‑‑ and I would like to confirm that, we have Czech republic on the line but we also have, I hope Bangladesh and Chad on the line, too, and hopefully colleagues from France, Haiti, Nigeria, Liberia.  Very exciting.  Yuliya, can you cue up Czech Republic now?  You have the floor.  Please be brief.

>> Czech Republic: Hello?  You can hear me.  Hello, I organize meetings just now and a few days ago.  It was in the end of June so I would like to introduce both people and we would like to go to two main issues about you.  So all of the data protection and the main one was just how to make sure how they could be safe and safer when we just share some things on the internet, and the main topic we talked about and worries a lot of people all about cookies and how we could get more information about that and more explaining.  How it should be, and what you agreed on, and agree on sharing these cookies.  So we thought about a new campaign to give cookies and mainly, choosing are cigarettes bad pictures, people stealing your walls, ID, credit card, passport, and showing the impact of you agreeing to that and giving personal data to everybody on the internet.  So thank you, I'm very glad to talk to you and be with you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much.  I don't know whether you all heard that.  That was rather muffled.  I hope you can read it and if you can't, I'll summarize very quickly.  Our colleague from Czech Republic was concerned about data protection and safer online use.  Cookies in particular.  I would like more information.  So clearly youth need more information.  Where do they get that information from.  Stuart is asking a question about choice and access to information.  So information is key.  I see colleagues here from the public service media, I know colleagues back there hiding to do with safer internet and issues related to that, Sonya Livingston and Susie.  Other colleagues as well.  I take notes of that.  I'd like to queue up other remotes.  Who's next?  We're not there yet?  Stuart, have you any response to that regarding the need for cookies, on data protection?  You talked about it from a library perspective very briefly.

>> STUART HAMILTON: Just that it's absolutely vital.  What we call digital literacy of which digital literacy is a part.  Something I feel quite strongly should be taught in schools and using school libraries to talk to people from an early age about online safety and we heard data protection, which is something I think needs to be in schools.

>> LEE HIBBARD: We have parliamentarians, too, from the European Unions.  I don't know if you want to come in quickly, Julie, Pilar.

>> JULIE WARD: From here?  Yeah?  I think two things, in terms of media, two things are really important.  Sorry, can you hear me?  Yeah?  Media literacy obviously.  It's hugely significant that we become media literate, and I actually think that young people in many ways have are far more media literate than many older people.  If we think about what happened in my country regarding the Brexit vote, many young people were far more in tune to what was going on and understood Europe better than some of the older generations.  And I think media pluralism is really important. 

Whilst media is in the hands of a few players, we're not getting that variety and diversity of youths so we have to have diversity in on online space as well.  If you're still waiting, I can say something else.  I think that media is a common space for and needs to be kept available and open and safe for young people, for communities.  And I work a lot on the idea of the commons.  What is common for us?  What is good for all of us?  And this idea about the internet being part of the commons is a really, really important one.

And we had a brilliant commons assembly in the European Parliament recently and I would like people to think a bit more about those things and when they're talking about enterprise to think about social entrepreneurship and social enterprise and how that could link also with this idea of the commons around media pluralism and media literacy.  All those things need to link together.  Sorry, I just got off a plane, folks, from Brazil in another time period H.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much and we have a remote mic there, too.  We have Bangladesh queued up now so I would like to ask you to wait.

>> Just a short comment because you asked for European Parliament.  A member of the parliament.  I just wanted to state we are really focusing on all different aspects of the internet.  We are trying to put a very common and sound legal framework in place in the different communities.  Is it in the community when it comes to issues like data protection, data security.  I was in Washington last week with the U.S. delegation.  We discussed with our American counterparts how to really improve the data privacy situation.

Then there is other committees, like, for example, I'm from the industrial committee.  We are discussing things like big data, Internet of Things, digital market strategies.  A framework that is really important and keeps the framework that internet can work out well and can be a benefit for both consumers and industry.  And the second thing I really wanted to mention and want to stress what Maggie said before, it is really important that you youth be part of the multistakeholder network.  That you are not an extra layer but do your part of the multistakeholder approach.  You are maybe the most important stakeholder because you're the future and that's why we really need your arguments, especially in the field when it comes to legislation and we need to come to similar stakeholder dialogue.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  I would add that yes, robust legal frameworks but I wish we ‑‑ one thing is we all choose and accept every day and do we have that literacy to really make informed choices not necessarily understanding the law or terms of conditions and services.  We have Bangladesh on the line.  I would like you to come in and ask and also maybe you have responses to our colleagues from the European Union delegation.  Thank you.

>> BANGLADESH: I hope I'm audible.  I'm from Bangladesh, representing Bangladesh IGF which is part of Youth IGF.  Last month, we have our first Bangladesh IGF youth event.  There, we discussed a lot of topics.  Among them, one of the most important ones was connecting the unconnected people.  Most of our population are still living in rural areas, so while we are talking about connecting the next billion, we need to consider our rural people and these are people to be connected to the internet.

So, along with the connectivity and access, it is really important to have more content and friendly application for the unconnected people.  Which means availability of more local content in more local languages.  So, yeah, that was one of the very important topics that we had discussed in our forum, and really, they want the information leader to put more importance on the contents that should be accessible easily and friendly by the unconnected people.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay.  Thank you very much.  Thank you very much.  It's very important.  I think knowing that this year's IGF, the overarching theme is enabling inclusive growth.  We talk about leaving no one behind.  The importance of connecting the next billion users is key to that and I would underline the point about critical user literacy from those from developing countries.  I think we have Haiti on the line and I would like to come to them, but I would also like to queue the colleagues here who would maybe want to respond after ‑‑ unless there's somebody now.  Do you want to come in now briefly or can we wait until Haiti speaks?  We'll wait until after.  We'll have Haiti, first of all, coming in, and then we'll pass to the floor.  Please, Haiti.  Anybody?  Is anybody there?  No?

Well, while we're waiting for Haiti, and tell me if there's anybody else on the remote, I'd like to come to our colleagues.  Does anybody want to comment on the points being made by our colleagues from different forums across the world.  Local languages, Stuart mentioned it, you mentioned it, literacy, robust legal framework, how do youth fit into all these things?  Do they have information?

Really they really taking part in building the policy?  I'd like to know more from you.  I see somebody here who would like to have the floor.  Please, thank you.  Please, please.

>> Okay. I'll actually focus on your last question.  How are youths interacting with all this dialogue.  Within the European Parliament I lead the parliament's negotiation and practices of copy right in the digital space and I also shadow within the legal affairs the robotics.  So I think that when we speak of the digital single market, when we think of copy right in the digital space, when we speak of robotics, for me, they are not the future.  They are the present.  Because whatever legislation we are going to come up with, you will have to live with. 

So I would really, really encourage youths to think that you are the present and you need to lobby us.  You need to interact.  You need to dialogue.  We will, too.  But I think this is really important because if we speak of, for example, copy right and the digital space and digital literacy, user generated content, I would say, is predominately an issue for youths.  Yet, where is the voice of youths there?  And we do have a proposal now on the table, and I think if my message here is really one, where I would encourage, heavily encourage youths to participate in all the debates related to the digital single market packages because this is a regulation which will regulate how you use the internet.  How you interact on the digital space.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  Another important point about copy right and the use of it, and of course fair use.  These things are coming time and time again so thank you for that important comment.  I wonder, we have Haiti coming up so before we get that.  We have a European sun contest.  I wonder if we shouldn't have a global European youth contest, make it even more glamorous than it is now.  I'm being silly now.  Haiti, please talk to us.  Are we there?

>> HAITI: Hello?  Hello?

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay.  If you're not there, I'm going to queue up other people.  Oh, you're there.  We can hardly hear you.  Can you lift the volume, please?  The volume up?  No, it's the highest?  We're not hearing you.

>> HAITI: Hi.  You can't hear?

>> LEE HIBBARD: I can hear you faintly.  Haiti, if we can't get to you, can you make your comments through the chat and we'll communicate?  I'm really sorry but we really cannot hear too much.  I note, also, there are a lot of young people in the IGF.  There are 88 young people coming from the ISOC community so I think ISOC.  I see Enya from the back from the IGF Secretariat and I know she wants to say a word.  Can we give the mic to Anja, please?

>> Thank you so much ‑‑ I just wanted to say that currently coordinating Youth IGFs.  Currently, there are eight Youth IGFs listed on the website.  Some of them are indeed wonderful of the capacity building done by the Youth IGF movement and by the wonderful work that Yuliya was creating.  Some of them are fully organic.  They organize themselves in accordance with the five main IGF principles.  They are the result of a bottom up process.  They are multistakeholder, inclusive, open, transparent, and they are not commercial.

Some of them are supported initiated by the national or regional IGFs.  So if you would go on the IGF website, you can see all those initiatives.  You can also see their reports, which I think, is a very important input to the IGF.  Megan said something very important this morning.  She said that we need to knock on other doors.  What the IGF wants and the IGF Secretariat is to create channels where other stakeholders will knock on your doors.  Sometimes it's not pleasant to knock on the doors of people that you don't know so what we are trying to do now is to run a couple of public consultations after this IGF with the community of the youth IGFs.  You are more than welcome to follow the update on the website of the IGF but also you are more than welcome to attend the Wednesday main session on the NRIs.

Some of the colleagues that are from the Youth IGFs, mainly from Asia Pacific and also the Germany IGF will be speaking there.  I think for the very first time at the IGF, we will be hearing the young people speaking on the main session.  Sorry, I'm taking a lot of time, I know, but on Friday, there is also a critical session I think for all the NRIs including the IGFs, at 10:15, it starts.  And I would really like all of you to be there and to speak concretely, what do you want from the global IGF, from the global IGF community and how can we support and help you.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.

>> Thank you, so we'll introduce now France, Uruguay and Chad to deliver the message here.  So, Ted.  Yeah.

>> TED: Hi, everyone.  It's a real pleasure to be here today.  My name is Ted.  I'm 23 years old French student and just like Sabrina, was one of the main organizers of the Youth IGF meeting in France.  Unfortunately, there are five other colleagues but they're not here today, so if they're watching, hi, guys.  The meeting was an open debate which took place on the 16th of November, and it gather around 30 people, young people, who showed a great interest in internet governance. 

Obviously, many issues have been highlighted and lots of ideas have emerged, but I will say that the main aspect that didn't stop coming and coming in our discussion were ‑‑ how can I say?  That we need a balance between what we can say online, so the freedom of speech, and the misinformation that influences people in a bad way.  Also, we say that we need, obviously, a real way to protect our personal data.  We need to raise awareness in everywhere in the society because we think knowing is at least half of the solution, knowing the problem is at least half of the solution.  Thank you.

>> SABRINA ABUALHAIGA: Thank you, Ted.  Yeah.  Nicolai had the mic, so Nicolai on the stage.

>> NICOLAI: First of all, it's a pleasure to be here.  I am Nicolai from Uruguay.  I work hears as a software ‑‑ here as a software engineer.  Was a main organizer of the Uruguay meeting that was the 16th of November.  They touch on issues of how the internet works, its ecosystem, then we presented challenges, security, and challenge to human rights.  At the end, we challenged solutions.  Some of the student's concerns were firstly how news generate public opinion, who has the power to such, whether it's ‑‑ whether a story is true or false.  People are not aware of the abilities of security protocols and the breaking of classic algorithms.  Finally, people are exposed without a location.

So, some of the suggestions were part of the country should restrict.  We need to generate categorizations of articles.  Generate, for instance, an alarm, a kind of alarm that warns that it does not have sufficient support from the sources.  Google can categorize this information in some way.  The solution proposed by students was to launch a campaign nation‑wide, well, to let people know about vulnerabilities and possible attacks.  This should be basic education for children and other refresh.  People must know the risks that run when exposing their data on the internet with vulnerable algorithms.  Thank you so much.

>> SABRINA ABUALHAIGA: T. could you ‑‑ yeah, we have raised hand but just give the mic to Abdir from Chad.

>> ABDIR: Thank you so much.  I am a member of the IGF Chad.  We launched on 12 November 2016.  We have more than 50 people, participants, come from school, from University.  The term was, internet is our life.  Internet is our life, and we discuss about topic about how to use internet and good ways, and also child safety and how to bring to contribute in global internet ecosystem.

This objective was organized by the national IGF chapter.  As you know, we need to incorporate in our education system ICT, it's very important for young people to know ICT.  What is the internet.  How to use internet.  Most of them think that internet is Facebook and Twitter, but internet is important.  You can find everything to contribute in our status.  And because one of the goals of SDG is good education.  Good education is very, very important for us and I don't like that ‑‑ we don't want that young people be behind the internet. 

And also, we are not so young to run in office, as you know.  The campaign is launched by united nations forum.  We need to know, how to use internet.  What is cybersecurity?  And we need to bring more people in the internet forum, like ISOC is very important to us also.  And we need to access for the people that would live in rural because it's very important, as I come from developing country, it's very hard for us because we have only 10 percent of people connected internet in Chad.  And yeah, I say that it's very important that youth can contribute to global internet system.

It's very important for us, because as you know, we are 2 billion person, young people in the word.  It's very important.  I can't say there's a number, can show us everything.  Thank you so much.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you so much.  Very good intervention.  We have people's hands raised but I really want ‑‑ I will come to you in a second.  If you can be brief, I have remote first, then you come in after.  But we want the young people.  So please stay.  Thank you very much.  Are we, Pakistan, please?  Pakistan, first.  And be brief, we really want to get everybody's voice.  Thank you.

>> PAKISTAN: Hello?  Can you hear me?

>> LEE HIBBARD: Pakistan?  Talk to us.

>> PAKISTAN: Can you hear me?

>> LEE HIBBARD: Yes, but low.  Higher volume?

>> PAKISTAN:  Hello.  I am Youth IGF ambassador from Pakistan.  Here in Pakistan, we have many problems like the connectivity and openness issue, especially the availability of data.  Because when we have to search for some specific data, we always get an error saying, it is not available in your country.  Then we also have the security and privacy issues here.  The absence of any kind of code of conduct or regulator authority has provided a vacuum for the extremist people to exploit people.  That's why Pakistan government ‑‑ that's why Pakistani government has taken certain steps like the prevention of internet crime in 2016, et cetera.  But what I need to request you people is your collective and collaborative help from you so we can collectively take steps to ensure secure interactions, peace, and stability.

As international threats like the cybercrime and cyber terrorism are beyond the outreach of an individual.  So, what I wanted from this platform is your help, so we can counter these transnational and help make this world a better place.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay.  Thank you, Pakistan.  You were quite faint.  You talked about connectivity, openness, searching for data, I didn't catch it all.  Code of conduct.  We'll take good note of that and I hope we can have replies.  I want to queue up this young gentleman here, first of all.

>> I received it so she couldn't present it by remote, so I will talk.  Read it.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay. Can we go to the young person first and then that one

>> Yeah.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay.  Please you, your name, where you're from, and brief.

>> FLOREN: I'm Floren, I'm from Austria.  I'm from the Youth IGF project that has nothing to do with this one.  I wanted to ask about this project.  How did you make your original selection of countries that are right now within your Youth IGF project?  What is your plan on getting more countries, especially in Europe, to a youth IGF project?  And especially in your set‑up process, try to reach out to existing structures of Youth IGF projects in Europe and Africa.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  That's a good point.  And I'll call on Yuliya from remote on that to talk about the selection of countries.  I think it's probably open and those can join, so remote participation from Liberia and Haiti.  Please, Sabrina, if you could be rather brief and come to the floor.

>> SABRINA ABUALHAIGA: I will just read it briefly.  Hi, I am student in computer science here in IT at ESIH, which is the best institute recommended for knowledge in computer sciences in IT.  I am in charge of the Youth IGF IT event on November 17, 2016.  In our discussion with the youths in IT, we all agreed that internet infrastructure is very important for social and economic growth in any developing countries.  Safe internet access in vulnerable places like IT can contribute to the ‑‑ of young people and women online.  We thank the leaders of the youth Internet Governance Forum to help us.  Meanwhile, we suggest they make the internet more accessible to everyone by making sure it's a safer area in the world.  So message from IT, and from Liberia.  I go forward.  Okay. Speaking point.

My name is ‑‑ Youth IGF Liberia ambassador.  My experience about Youth IGF meeting in Liberia is that in less than three months I have reached four major schools in the capital, and this month, I will be extended my advocacy to Buchanan, the capital outside the capital.  As an ambassador for the internet, I feel honored to dialogue with fellow IGF youths.  In all of our 1,000 youths have been reached with the hedge of what are the internet?  How has the internet helped them in school and what are the challenges in accessing internet in Liberia, and what would a student want to see in the future.  My message has been to explanation ideas on what the internet is, how instrumental the internet is in national development and what internet can do for students in schools.  What I would like to find out is how to bring internet to schools in Liberia.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much.  We have Russia on the line.  Can you come in, please?  The Russian Federation.

>> MARGUERITA: Good day, ladies and gentlemen.  My name is Marguerita and I'm ambassador of Youth IGF in Russia and one of the main coordinators of the Youth IGF event in Russia which was first of November.  Of course, everybody uses many applications for traveling, foods.  Some of them start their own business and find the big problem.  The personal data protection.  One big thing is data just on the Russian servers.  It doesn't have a problem if if your business is directed only to the Russian users but if you would like to trade with Europe and buy service in European Union, Russian market can be closed to you or you will have problems using your data.

Also have problems with fraud.  Happens to students, but it is a problem with all of us and we think digital literacy is the reason.  In conclusion, I think this organized was a very success because Russia is large in Europe and our speed of the internet is comparable with many of the European countries.  Currently, it's a successful fight against piracy and online fraud which has an impact.  However, the security threat remains, the solution of which has not been found.  Also, thanks to the growing number of limiting the storage capability for various internet service, compliance the development of small business and e‑commerce.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay.  Thank you very much.  That's excellent.  Okay. We're coming to the last eight minutes.  We have only one hour and we're going to go to the floor now.  Before the very short wrap up by Julie at the end, there are a finite number of issues, not an infinite number.  I think we can circumscribe the issue and they need more information.

I want to queue up very briefly Nick, then Jaquelin, then Martin Fisher.  Please be brief so we can get the young people's voices.  You're young, Nick, but not that young.

>> NICK: I'm young but I'm getting older, unfortunately.  Yeah, just quickly.  So I came to the Youth IGF session last year and I told you how disappointed I was that at our UK IGF, we had a distinct lack of young people.  And the Youth IGF was really great to speak to some people and I held some conversations with people afterwards and I'm pleased to support that we're working with child net, an organization in the UK who have a young leaders program.  We were able to arrange a youth panel session at this year's UK IGF and it was regarded as the best session that we had during that day.  So, that was really positive.  The issues that they were keenly talking about were hate speech online and the challenges of dealing with that but also sort of best practices that identified.

And, also sort of use of social media was a key thing.  But, what I really want to get out of this is, first of all, just cover point, youth, you are not the future.  You are the here and now.  And we would really like to continue to grow the youth participation in IGF so I'd be pleased to hear about any initiatives that you have planned for the UK but I'd like to bring them into our main event, just continue to engage with all of you to figure out how we can bring young people in.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you.  European broadcasting union.  Quickly.  We're running out of time.  Jacomo.  Really 30 seconds.  I know you can do it.

>> JACOMO: Yes.  Just listening to the questions we have heard as public servants at least in Europe, we give some kind of answers to these sessions.  Just want to remember free initiatives of what we're ‑‑ three initiatives what we're doing.  One is the track, six divisions across Europe led by RTEC in which we explain how it works, what kind of data are you giving when you navigate on the internet.  Very, very useful.

The second initiative is the generation what where through the big data generated by users all across the continent with one medium answering across 15 countries, you can describe what is the expectation of the young people across all the continent.  And we are now developing similar for Arab country in cooperation with European Union, and very grateful for that.

Last point I want to make is literacy.  Media and digital literacy are crucial.  We can try to tackle the issue today, but we need to plan to empower the citizen because unfortunately or fortunately, the internet brings directly to them so the media role of protecting the viewers and the citizen is not anymore as it was in the past.  So now we need absolutely empowered people.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you Jacomo.  Critical internet literacy.

>> Hello, Martin Fisher we are running also a European Youth IGF project focusing on young people in Europe.  We have Youth IGFs in Netherlands, Austria, Germany and Turkey we are supporting.  Not going to go into too many of the issues there.  The European dialogue on internet governance.  I would like to extend one word to all the European based youth delegates I hear online that are in all the different Youth IGFs present.  We always like to see more active young people there.  Then I have a comment to the lady in the first row, because it was a dialogue, after all.  You asked ‑‑ you had an appeal to the young people that they should engage more in the consultations and contribute to the current discussions.  The last discussion on copy right, or the last consultation had 80 different questions in a rather legal framework terminology.  And, I tried to engage young people, and these consultations are really not helping.

So we want to engage young people, I think we need to make a few more steps towards young people in order to engage them.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: No time.  No time.  Okay. Thank you, Martin.  We have a young person.  We'll come to you in the blue jacket, please.  Very quickly.  We're running out of time.  Please, very quickly.  Please, very quickly.  Yes.  Oh.

>> May I go ahead?

>> LEE HIBBARD: Very briefly, yeah.

>> ROMPER: My name is Romper.  I'm from Portugal.  Also involved in a Youth IGF program of some sort.  I'd like to point out that our youth age range is kind of in a gray area.  That's why it's so important our involvement in internet governance.  You think the younger generations that grew up with technology in a digital age, and we can't really forget that the people involved now days in the Internet Governance didn't grow up in that environment.  That's why it's so important that our voice is heard.  That's why it's so important that we here so that we can connect those different generations and contribute to a better internet.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much.  Very briefly sir.  We have one minute, please.

>> Thank you so much.  I'm from Beijing, China.  Now days, especially today, I have met the Youth IGF.  It's a very good platform and a very good project.  But it is also still very limited so my question is how we encourage and help more region and countries to set up their Youth IGF.  Sometimes the young people's power is not enough.  They need a different generation.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you so much for that.  We really are running out of time.  Ten seconds please.

>> I just add on to Rohan.  I'm Hao Yen, the coordinator of IGF and we organize the whole thing so I'm just wondering, we got organized for seven years.  I'm happy to see there's more Y IGF in the region and also up here now days.  But for the first step, I want to encourage everyone to think about how we can work together on promoting the youth initiative everybody.  And I do think by some coalition and collaboration we can be stronger and better on the whole initiative for encouraging youth.  Thank you.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay.  We're almost out of time.  We have a response from Yuliya and then going to Julie.

>> YULIYA MORENETS: So message from Nigeria.  Hello, everyone.  I'm youth ambassador to Nigeria.  Our message to the IGF is that as part of the global to Nigeria youth would need empowerment about the ethics on the internet use and have access to reliable and affordable means of internet access.  Thanks.

>> LEE HIBBARD: Thank you very much.  Now we have to wrap up.  We really are at the end.  That was Yuliya.  Julie, I'm sorry.  The microphone for Julie.  She's going to wrap up.  We're at the end of the session, so please.

>> JULIE WARD: Sorry, I had a speech from the beginning and I was still getting here from Brazilia but I want to tell you what I was doing in Brazilia.  I was working with different people for indigenous land rights.  Young indigenous people were there wearing their own cultural costumes, clothes, but they were also online.  They were using smartphones.  They were communicating with people.  And I just wanted to say, that is a message, isn't it?  There are people there who just like the people at standing rock are fighting for their rights and they're doing it through the internet, through media. 

And what I'm hearing today is that the internet has to be a force for good, a force for peace, a force to bring us together, not to separate us through extremism and hate crime and hate speech.  I think the diversity of the youth here is actually the power that we need to hang on to so I had lots more things to say, but for me, internet should be part of the intercultural dialogue that helps us to build a safer, better, more peaceful world where we can actually inspect each other and each other's differences but work together so that we can live safely.

Right.  I hope that's a good message


>> LEE HIBBARD: Okay. okay.  Thank you, Julie.  I'm sorry that the time is up.  Thank you very much to all.  I'm sorry we only had one hour.  Thank you to all.  If you want to carry on the dialogue we can, just outside this room.  Cheers.  Thank you.  Thank you to all.

(Session was concluded at 11:49 a.m. CST)