IGF 2022 Day 0 NRIs Annual Coordination Session – RAW

The following are the outputs of the captioning taken during an IGF virtual intervention. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.



          ... go and get your lunch.  You know where the lunch area is, it takes a little walking.  Let's maybe do that, if you agree.  And as I said, I think all of us are here the whole week.  You can see whatever works.  Any time, one‑on‑one, directly or we can also meet in smaller groups or in a big collective group Thursday or Friday when everything is more relaxed.  Plus, we have our main session on Friday.  We can have an informal gathering after the main session.

     My wish would be that we have some informal, maybe, dinner or get‑together on some of the days this week so we can have a pleasant chat.  For now, for the sake of our online participants...

[talking simultaneously]

     I hope my colleagues heard what I said.  We're going to keep this session very short so colleagues here, on site can go to make it for lunch and then we'll probably have some informal, also, gatherings here and there.  Maybe we can have lunch together and chat about what we want to do next year.

     We planned this session for a couple weeks before Addis.  The idea was to discuss about the sustainability about NRIs.  Maybe in the next couple condominiums, we could orient concrete actions from the side of you, from the side of Secretariat and also broader, from the side of the donors, regional and local levels, what's missing in those actions and how do we reach them.

     Another part is about contributing to the current processes which are underway on the international scene.  Digital contract presentations.  Some of the NRIs took initiative there and they're preparing an organized response. 

     There's also, with consultations coming our way, it's extremely important for us, informally, I'm glad Markus is here.  We had a couple informal chats, but I know Markus will allow me to share this.  We were discussing in the context of everything that has changed or everything that's been achieved from the origin of this, probably the biggest achievement relates to NRIs in the IGF context.  Everything's organic, growing in terms of numbers.

     Most‑importantly, in terms of quality.  I refer, primarily to the fact that NRIs are much more about one, two or three days annually, of their annual meetings.  There are many capacity‑development initiatives associated with the NRIs

     I often cite Kenya as a case of really expert practice that exists and I hope we can learn from that and follow their example. 

     With that, I wish to welcome our online colleagues.  We'll keep this very short.  We'll hear from a few of you in Addis and then from Zoom. 

     The floor is open, the first question is about sustainability.  We'd like to hear more about how to make the NRIs sustainability.  I don't refer just to financial sustainability and financial segment, but the process sustainability, program sustainability, relevance to the local, regional and international political discourse.

     The floor is yours, if you have any inputs and I'll keep an eye on Zoom. 

     >> Hello, okay, open mic, so everyone can use it.  Okay, maybe it works like this?  No, it doesn't, okay.  What I'd like to suggest or encourage other NRIs, basically, is that I would like to share the experience from the European IGF where we are organizing a stakeholder consultation on the Global Digital Compact at the moment.

     And I do believe that participating in global processes is something that is very much expected by the organizers of these global processes and help NRIs to be perceived as something sustainable.  These keep NRI into play with all the other community members in their region or nation.

     I do think, if there's a stronger commitment to global processes, might be global digital compact, as we have right now or any other processes around our common agenda or around our Sustainable Development Goals.  I think this would really be something that helps every NRI to be perceived as something that is an ongoing process and more sustainable and not just an event per year.

     So, this would be my recommendation and if you'd like to get some experiences from the European stakeholder consultation, I'm really happy to talk to you bilaterally and just share the experiences as it is running right now.  We will, in the EuroDIG related session, we'll speak about this stakeholder consultation, so, I can also link you to that one if you would like, thanks. 

     >> Thank you, Sandra.  Oh, it works now, great, thanks. 

     >> My name is Barat [phonetic] from the Kenya Internet Governance Forum.  Speaking on the issue of sustainability, thinking of two key points for consideration by the NRIs, again, based on how I experience the Kenya IGF, I think our challenge is (?).  When we speak of sustainability, I think it's important that we consider institutional frameworks that are key in sustaining our national or regional initiatives and also, we need to also think of financial sustainability.  When we think about institutional frameworks, there's the issue of transition from one generation to the other.  How do we raise leaders or champions who carry the agenda and we also deal with different emerging issues as they arise.  When it comes to financial sustainability, how do we leverage on the goodwill from various actors in the community and how do we remain concerned? 

     Most of the NRIs are either convening IGF processes or have schools of Internet Governance, SIGs, running.  People are using the certificates that are being issued in those schools to actually get jobs or empower themselves to other levels of their livelihoods.  How do NRIs also benefit from some of these frameworks they're creating? 

     That's food for thought that I want to share.

     >> My name is Jen Richam [phonetic].  Looking at sustainability, that's a very big topic that we've been discussing both in terms of multistakeholder steering group as well as the larger community.

     The first thing we really look at is every year, since several years ago, we've had a very key output of census document.  It's intended to encapsulate all the highlights and discussions, policy discussions and issues, that we have at the meeting every year.

     This year, our census document was published on Friday and we intend to have this as an input to the GDC process, which I believe sending in March of next year.

     So, that's going to be one of the contributions from the Asia‑Pacific region, specifically to APR IGF.

     The second thing on sustainability, our colleagues have already mentioned funding.  We've had quite extensive discussions within our multistakeholder steering group about the sustainability of our regional IGF.  There's plenty of national IGFs, and subregional IGFs within APAC that have encountered the same issue and problem of funding.  This year, we were very lucky to be able to be cohosted and colocated with APNIC [phonetic] and have been extremely generous with all the logistic issues.  They worked closely with our community and that brings me to looking at it more wholistically.

     NRIs, especially regional ones and also national ones, there's always a component of capacity‑building.  We always want to up‑level and up‑skill people who are new to Internet Governance to have them understand the issues we discuss to have them know how to contribute in a substantial way.

     This is not only for the youth IGF, which we do have, which is key in our region, but also newcomers from all different stakeholders, all walks of life, all ages.  You can be a newcomer as a youth or in your mid‑career and others.  And they're still newcomers and it's important to include them as well.

     This year, because we colocated with APNIC we had the technical community look at what a regional IGF does.

     It's interesting.  There's a lot of talk about how to include stakeholders that are currently missing in our meetings and I think the technical community is one such stakeholder that we really do need to involve them.  They have the power and expertise on the underlying systems, underlying technical capabilities of the internet we use every day.  This is useful to learn from each other.  It's good for us, as NRIs, to look at including missing stakeholders and looking at a more sustainable and holistic way of capacity‑building and bringing in new blood and retaining this new blood.

     After you train them up, build capacity, what our ideal position is, to be able to have these people stay and contribute substantially to our ecosystem.  That's the third part I want to share, thank you.

     >> Thank you very much, Jennifer.  Those are great examples.  I had a pleasure to be at APRI this year.  It was very impressive in terms of quality of discussions and organization and logistics.  Jennifer is saying, that's pretty much also due to the good cooperation with APNIC.

     Thank you, now we'll pass it to anyone online.  Oh, I'm sorry, Ana, please?

     >> Can I go ahead.

     >> Yes, please.

     >> My name is Wis Dong [phonetic] with IGF.  From Africa, we need to be reflective of global IGF.  It looks like we're disconnecting from the processes, so, you find the situation where IGF, we just do things, we don't follow a process.  It's becoming a problem.  We need to look at this and address it.  If all of us, as a group, can look into this and come up with one common chapter or something like that, everyone can adopt. 

     We need to begin that process so that newcomers have an opportunity to come in as well.  I think this is what I've seen that we need to address and need to address it very quickly.  Not only at national IGF, that includes the regional IGF as well.  This is my point.

     >> Thank you very much. 

     >> Thank you, Anja.  I'm wearing my IGFSA hat.  We're going to support the way we have been, obviously, what we look forward from you is submitting the applications, at the earliest.  Don't wait for four weeks before submitting.  Submit well in advance with all the information so that we can help you as much as possible.  With all the information.

     So, we are here to support the NRI, national IGFs and youth IGFs.  Please put it on time, thank you.

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  Ana? 

     >> Portuguese initiative of the IGF, that we have our initiative on 3rd of November.  It was organized on the basis of the themes of this IGF 2022 and bearing in mind, it's already a preparation for the Global Digital Compact. 

     And then we focus on something very good, the presence of Portuguese on the internet and in language technologies and delegations of Internet Governance.

     The basis was the global IGF and then we focus on something that's very Portuguese.

     On the other hand, I'd like to inform you that we'll have our Portuguese initiative by February, next year.  As a preparation of the Portuguese position that'll be submitted to the global, digital contract, open consultation. 

     So, it'll be a way to have all the stakeholders involved in the discussion and to prepare the Portuguese government response.

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  Is it Nizatte [phonetic] that wanted and Nigel, here?  Then we'll go further for more. 

     >> I think, first of all, I'd like to second the mission by Wisdom [phonetic].  The processes will make us grow in terms of the wake that we're doing. 

     For example, Tanzania IGF has within it, the youth IGF component.  The only way to bridge the young people into this space is by making sure that we follow the processes of the IGF and I also second the point about having a charter that can be a guide within our own context, if it is Europe or Africa.  It is in Asia.  I think that is, is critical. 

     The $1 million question is the sustainable of NRIs.  Maybe in some other quotas, you might have funders who have committed in house to help the NRIs.  But for those of us who are receiving, like, the intermittent funders, it also spells out the sort of (?) for NRIs.  The sustainable NRIs also depends on the funding.  Because you can't do a meeting, calling people, calling the government, calling all of these private sectors and the rest of the multistakeholder without having funding. 

     And I mean, I'm talking about the context from, from Tanzania.  If you're talking about the IGF, and the picture people paint about the IGF, they think and they think that IGF already has money for the local initiative.

     Which, in most cases, that is not the case.  So, I think the issue of sustainability, really, I don't know how we will be able to address this locally. 

     I know there are big tech companies that are selling a lot of products locally.  And they know what IGF is, so, my challenge to all of us is how do we get these big tech companies to fund these initiatives?  These are important. 

     If you go to Bolivia, you know, the IGF, there are a lot of wonderful things that are happening.  You know?  Young people are understanding, I think, for the first time.  What the policy, the ICT policy means.  For the future internet. 

     So, do these big tech companies see this as critical?  I don't know, but I think we need to challenge ourselves together with the Secretariat to see how we can bring these big tech companies onboard.  And if we are to organize Zoom meetings or whatever, and have these people understand from our perspectives what we're trying to build locally. 

     If they, they are selling the product to us, where do the corporate social responsibility monies go?  If not for activities like what we are doing on the ground.

     For example, the NRI, Tanzania NRI, we are working together with, with ISO.  To organize the IGF, the youth IGF funds of 2023.  This is all on behalf of the internet and ecosystem.  That'll be my take.  I know time is not on our side.  I think we need to talk to these big tech companies to see where they put their corporate social responsibility, money, and thank you so much.

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  Nigel is next. 

     >> NIGEL HICKSON:  Speaking for the U.K. IGF.  I'll be brief.  Two points on sustainability.  I think sustainability, to, to many people, in addition to funding, which I'll say something about is also sustainability in terms of moving forward.  Of evolving, of having innovation in the issues that you tackle, in having innovation in the stakeholders that you attract, in the organizations that you cooperate with in terms of your national IGF

     And I think we're conscious of this in the U.K.  Where it's, it's all too easy to, if you like, fold it into the trap of involving the same people year‑after‑year.  Makes it easier to organize, if you can just reach out to Fred because he's good at cybersecurity or Alice because she's good at Child Online Protection. 

     What we need to be doing is reaching out and attracting new people, attracting new ideas.  So, certainly, before we nominate in the U.K., I say "we" and not nominate or sponsor the IGF in the U.K.  That's the .uk registry.  We have a multistakeholder community and try to reach out to new people.

     The second point on that is the issues that are discussed.  And I think the issues that are discussed have to have relevance with the national situation, obviously.  Policies or legislation, and we have had our IGF a couple weeks ago.

     And had a very lively discussion about a bill, thanks to our Parliament, based on U.K. online safety.  And regulations on that.  You have to reflect what's going on.

     And you have to look towards the global situation as well.  Clearly, as we go forward, over the next couple years, the review process, leading to the UNGA debate in 2025. 

     In 2003 and 2005, when I had more hair, we said stakeholders should be allowed into this meeting!  We stood outside the door.  The UN, at that time, didn't allow stakeholders to participate.  The IGF wasn't bold.  We've made great strides.  The NRI network is inspiring having over 120 organizations.  We have to take note of the global situation and make sure that process infuses stakeholders.  I'll stop there, thank you. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much, Nigel.  Let's hear from the room, then we'll go to Cheryl.

     >> My thoughts regarding the challenges, I think, perhaps that's, how do we put this course into the NRIs?  In terms of budgets, they come with a lot of cost that is difficult for funders to raise money.  And use it for the schools.

     How do we now ‑‑ if we want to build this, I think we need to invest [voice fading].  I want to share what is done in terms of sharing the best participants.  (?) The region we're coming from.  There's confusion on who organizes the IGF.  In some countries, it's the association.  In other countries, it's government.  You know? 

     The reality is, I mean, from one continent to another, there's a lot of confusion.  In the sense that government, for example, in some countries, are very reluctant when they hear ISO, organizing the IGF.  Government wants to be a member of the Association. 

     At a point, we need to share best practices and come together with the framework that's done really well in our context.

     The other challenge is, the change of leadership in those various organizations.  For example, in some countries, we see Secretariat of the IGF and when there's a change of leadership, it blocked the system.

     I remember last year, when we organized our IGF, we involved the UNDP office in Norway.  That was the only opportunity for the government to come up.  The UNDP is attending.  It's always difficult, if they register.  [Too far from mic].  The last point is how to envision the apex.  It's very important. 

     They did a good job in 2017 with colleagues.  It's helped for most countries to actually track five and ten years of IGF amongst countries.  We need firmware helping us design the impact of an event we're organizing.  We have to publish those impact reports. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  Maybe you can pass the microphone behind.  I just want to say that, in the meantime, while we're taking the floor, Elizabeth Rhodes [phonetic] told me, lunch is a little bit delayed.  So, I think you'll make it for lunch, for sure.

     But in any case, we'll give the floor.  We'll try to take this round of comments and see where we are.  If you're in a rush now, we don't judge, please, just leave, have your lunch and we can come back as well.  Yes? 

     >> The Barbados chapter is out of rejuvenation.  Talking about ‑‑ my colleague mentioned some points that are very important.  Nigel mentioned bringing new blood into the system.  The problem is what my colleague said.  The new members are elected and then you have to train them up to get them into the system so they can understand what's going on.  This is why we need mentors. 

     Older people, more‑experienced people need to help these younger people.  We're working on the youth and trying to bring them into the system.  In the Caribbean, we're trying to make changes.  Recently, we have an IGF CTU, Caribbean Telecommunications Union and IGF.  We had one IGF and three sets of people participating in this IGF.  This is something we want to bring in so we can collaborate more.

     We're also trying to collaborate more with the Barbados Civil Society.  We all have the same ideas, we all have the same focus and governments, sometimes, don't always agree with the Civil Society and sometimes, I don't know why, but it's difficult to collaborate with governments.

     So, we're trying to do it from a different angle, making ourselves strong and then we will approach government.  And hopefully things will change. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  This is the last comment from the room, then we'll share online.

     >> Hello, everyone, allow me to congratulate Amrita as the new president of IGFSA.  I'm talking on behalf of IGF Africa that has been initiated in 2017.  There are some issues I'd like to raise related to leadership that we have in Africa.  I don't want to talk more about this issue as I think Anja will let you know about these kinds of issues.

     Firstly, I'd like to talk about the importance of NRI, the importance is to advocation, advocacy, capacity building and engagement.  NRIs should work to advocate about how youth can engage on IGF work and after that, to build the capacity of youth whenever they can know more about IGF and engage about, to engage on IGF discussion.  This is the role of IGF, which is absent in Africa.

     That's all related to three main things.  The first one I mentioned.  Second one is related to dependence of youth IGF on some regional organization or national IGF.

     Because when the youth IGF is not free, they cannot tell or see good or see bad use of internet IGF.  They can see what they think about internet in their community. 

     Currently related to capacity building.  Youth in Africa are limited by the means and tools in order to be well‑trained about internet issue, about internet use. 

     Also, the funding issue.  So, we've been facing these kinds of challenges since 2017 until today.  I call upon partners that can support you see of IGFs, not only in Africa, but all over the world so youth can engage at early age about the work of IGF and they can participate on IGF meetings.

     Thank you. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  Let's hear from Cheryl, who is online, I believe, from Australia.  Cheryl, you have the floor, I see you're still muted.  Can I ask the technicians to unmute Cheryl Langdon‑Orr? 

     >> CHEYRL LANGDON‑ORR:  I believe the magic button has been found.  We just finished not long ago on the 27th and 28th of last month, their annual event and a lot of what's been said today is resonating very strongly with our review of and discussion on next steps as to where we're heading in the year to come.

     We have a multistakeholder‑organized committee and we try hard to make sure it is multistakeholder.  In other words, if there's a sector that is not represented, that we do our best to make sure we have that sector sort out and brought in. 

     It's open, so, people may join.  We try to keep that core balance going.  To some of Pedro's points and what's been said from the Caribbean and, indeed, the U.K., we've worked rather hard to make sure that in our MSG and therefore, in the overall planning of our events, note the plural there.  We're going to be doing more and more that is not just a bit of big hitters.  They can provide the funding and inkind support, for example.  We can use the resources, for example of the Zoom and streaming facilities.  That they kindly offer us.

     We've worked harder in recent times to make sure we have the right people in the right positions in our federal government.  The ones that are working within the departments.  It's the same people that are attending our planning meetings and therefore, have a finger on the pulse of what an IGF in Australia will look like and what the topics might be.  Representing the country in all things internet and Telco.  It's not easy and won't be the same for all of us.  We have to work to suit our own communities.

     The other thing to mention, we've developed, in recent years now, a stronger and stronger support‑based relationship and IUDA is in a position to consider one of our key financial supporters.

     And that has allowed us to retain the services of some rather more‑professional planners for events and it helps to make sure we're not just doing the same old stuff with the usual suspects but putting things out for wider public input and getting refreshed as well.

     I could go on longer, but we have other meetings through the week, so I won't stand any longer between you and your lunch.  It's important to make sure the planners are also a mix of the fresh and familiar.  It's often the familiar, it's simply having the connections and resources to get the job done.  Thank you.

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you.  I think we have Julian in the Zoom room that would like to make a mention.  Then we'll come to the room if there's anyone else and then we'll wrap up to see next steps and organize another informal meeting of the NRI for whoever can join.  Please, Julian, you have the floor.


>> ANJA GENGO:  I see you're unmuted, but I don't think the audio is projecting in the room.  Can Zoom participants hear Julian?  Can you unmute, please, Julian, again?  Now you're unmuted. 

     >> JULIAN CASASBUENAS:  We've been facing several challenges related to sustainability of our processes.  And our current ones are related to bringing new actors, including youth, and to bring into the local IGFs.  High level representatives in order to try to influence public policies that are related to the stability of the internet. 

     As well as keeping the link with (?) IGFs.  I think that, for instance, the collaborative sessions that we are participating in the global IGF are very important, also to make these links with the local, to the global IGF and making this possible to enhance the participation of multistakeholders. 

     In our case, this year, we included new topics in the discussions which I believe is important as well.  Like, data processing, and artificial intelligence and digital identity as well as new challenges of emerging digital technologies in their implementation in Colombia and internet ecosystem.

     Listening to all of you and also, in our case, in the process of lack IGF, it's important to get ideas for sustainability of this process, thank you. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you, Julian.  Before I give the floor to Celeste, my colleagues are flagging in this room and there are a few members of Parliament from several Africa countries.  One is, especially, thank you, for coming here.  That's the first step of a good cooperation with those that can make concrete decisions and those with a specific set of expertise on a multistakeholder level for good decisions to be made.

     So, thank you.  (?)  Please, you have the floor.

     >> Thank you, I'm from Cameroon, but speaking as chairperson of the ECA African Tax Force.  To address the young man that spoke on African IGF, the ECA works after the IGF in Malawi in which a committee was created, which I chair that committee.  All these African youths you see volunteering advocates, they were all trained on the AU platform. 

     Process has started.  A lot between 18 and 30.  Any room you go here today.  You see them with volunteers, we have wisdom here.  Who is also in the tax force that leads the, what do you call it?  Technical committee within this tax force.

     I just want to mention, to address your question, don't think things haven't been addressed.  You'll have 50 young people coming from other parts of Africa, from each region represented.  We have 30 participants.  We have the local organizing committee volunteers here.  There's work in progress and you'll be hearing more.  Thank you. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  I hope future host countries will follow your example.  Lito [phonetic], you have the floor.

     >> LITO:  Thank you.  I want to address three topics.  One of funding.  It's not only large enterprises that may provide funding, but as Nigel was mentioning, in our case, it's always ‑‑ it's also the case.  The local ccTLD can be a supporter.

     By definitions, the ccTLDs are at the core of the internet in each country.  They run the domain names and are usually one of the first institutions to be in place when internet comments start in every country.  So, I guess some of them will be willing to participate and support the local IGF.

     Second, regarding the topics, to be innovative in the new topics, in our case, we included this year, topics such as block chain, if you know it as one of the few or only country, that, by law, has, besides the dollar, the Bitcoin as national currency. 

     So, this started a lot of, for us, around block chain as technology.  So, we have two talks in our IGF last month.  On block chain being used for other things, not only cryptocurrency, but also other uses of the technology. 

     And third, regarding new people, bringing new people, we tried with two very young ladies in El Salvador with two topics.  One selected Avatars like, a topic that will be more common when the Metaverse is around, is fully around. 

     So, we found that very interesting and that was proposed by her.  And we had that new topic and new lady, new person as a speaker in IGF.

     The other one didn't go so well.  But we tried.  So, one of two is not so bad. 

     So, it's worth trying new people, new topics, and new schemes of doing the IGF.  Thank you. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Okay, I think we said with Lito we're going to conclude.  We have three hands here.  I'll stay here, but others would like to have lunch.  I think online, we don't have any comments.  Let's keep the comments very brief.  I'm not going to summarize them, because the summary will follow on the list and I'm sure you'll still make it for lunch.  Roberto, briefly.  (?) and Bangladesh, yes. 

     >> Very brief, I just wanted to comment about sustainability regarding some other opportunities.  It's important to recent again that in case of Internet Society, one of the good sources we have, usually, they had a fund provided to different projects, but now, Internet Society is providing a special fund for this kind of initiative.

     So, it's $3500, which is also important component in the possibility of helping us organize our events.

     The only thing is that usually the chapters are involved in the regional processes, but in the cases of the chapters, it'd be good to start an alliance with them so they can be involved.

     The last thing I want to comment is about recent experience about the linkage between our local NRIs with the regional NRI.  We didn't have this kind of linkage before.  We participated, but we weren't so much involved in the process and now we had a chance to work together.  There are some great colleagues that are following online and some others are present here.

     And we, we rent a nice space in the local IGF ‑‑ I mean in the (?) IGF and had a lot of contributions.

     I think it's a good way to going in terms of sustainability.  Thank you. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much, Roberto.  We'll go briefly to Bangladesh and then we'll conclude.

     >> PETER KING:  Thank you, we just want to thank you for attending the IGF and for support to the IGF.  We've been happy to have you as a multistakeholder platform since 2020.  Now 2022, this year, we have very good participation in terms of content direction, branding and communication process that we have to address the interests of all multistakeholders in the country.

     We also look at the level of participation we have to open it online and people are engaging in an online platform.  We believe with these kinds of measures in place, can adopt and increase participation and look at the level of participation in terms of diversity in academia, youth, government, and other people that will come to the table to bring issues of national concern.

     The last one is the level of funding.  We believe there's more work to be done locally as NRI to enable you to get local funding because it helps to bring partners to the table as well as mostly issues that they want government to hear.  Once you partner with them locally, they're able to address issues and help them address the issues.  This is assumed for all partners that we have at IGF to move this year and we believing the turnout was good.

     We want to be consistent in Liberia.

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you, please.

     >> We're creating Bangladesh IGF 2006.  Last two years, we were utilizing women and youth IGF.  We're challenging the resources.  Fund is a big problem.  Another challenge is that local resource in terms of our emerging technologies.  Thank you very much. 

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.

     >> Probably we develop a cost or it could be capacity‑building, maybe with the support of IGFSA in institutional frameworks for national and regional initiatives and also, something around financial sustainability.  It's a broad area, but I think if we get together into some ‑‑ and get some knowledge around this, we should be able to know how to mobilize resources better.

     That's the proposal I want to submit in conclusion.

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much.  There's support for this.  We will need to hear from other NRIs as well, will follow, as soon as possible. 

     We will continue our discussions.  I want to now conclude the session, because I'm sure you have other commitments.  The lunch is still on.  You can go to have lunch.  Oh, I see ‑‑ can we see the Bangladesh note on the screen, please?  If there's a question, please ask the question.  After we hear from Bangladesh, we'll finalize this and we have our WhatsApp group.  I'll be free to write there, maybe we can organize some informal gathering during this week.  Maybe during evening hours and we certainly will see each other across five other collaborative sessions and our NRI main session on Friday.

     So, quick visual from Bangladesh Remote Hub and you can walk towards the lunch area.  Lunch is still on.

     >> Okay, thank you, we have a question that how we can involve ourselves to contribute NRI spatially?  Bangladesh IGF community?

     >> ANJA GENGO:  Thank you very much and great things to Bangladesh Hub from Addis.  I think the first point of contact are the NRI coordinators.  We're very fortunate to be in an environment that is very friendly and there are resources which will explain to you and guide you how to be engaged.  Many of the NRIs do have particular capacity development tracks such as young people and newcomers and so on.  Those are excellent opportunities to be engaged.

     That would be my advice.  I do invite, I'm happy to write to the NRI mailing list to ask questions where to be engaged and I'm sure responses from relevant NRIs will follow.

     With that, bon appetit.  Please have lunch.  Thank you very much, see you on the NRI collaborative session on Wednesday.  Thank you.