IGF 2022 Day 4 DC-SIG Role of Schools of IG in sustaining efforts to support SDGs – RAW

The following are the outputs of the captioning taken during an IGF intervention. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.



>>  This is the dynamic session on schools and government.  We are starting.  What I would like to ask at the moment if someone could put up our ‑‑ no, not yet.  To start what I would like to do to have everybody, and this is a roundtable, and we've been asking for a roundtable for years, and this is actually the first time we've gotten one.  But what I would like to do is just have everyone sort of just give their name and say one of three things.  Your a school and what school is it or you teach in a school and what school is it or you have been a fellow in one or you are totally new to the whole notion of schools in internet governance. 

I would like to go around the table, and then what I would like to do is ask the people that are remote that want to ‑‑ and anybody that doesn't want to say can just say pass.  I can't page make anybody say their name if they don't want to, and also online I would ask ‑‑ while we're going around the table here to just put your happened up and then our remote moderator is here.  Our remote moderator Abdeldjalil.  Is he here?  He is not here yet.  I didn't think I saw him.  Okay.  So someone can ‑‑ he is here now.  Yeah, that's what I thought.  I saw him come in. 

Okay.  Then after we've gone around the table, then Abdeldjalil could call them one by one to go through it or go through the hands or however it's being done here. 

I'll start with myself because I'm talking already.  My name is Avri Doria.  I teach in several of the schools, the European school.  Sometimes the African school.  The virtual school.  Sometimes the North America School sometimes. 

>>  I'm the fellow of government school of internet and government.  This is the first time in the IF.  I'm looking forward to learning many things from you.  For the seven times we are conducting the IGF in our country.  We have a huge community, and we are creating programs and trying to engage with your community and many other communities with the process.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  There's many of us.  I'm really just looking for name, school, and relationship to school.  We're going to have lots of time to talk about other stuff, but please.  Thank you.

>>  I'm fellow of the Bangladeshi school of government.  Thank you.

>>  Hello.  This is Mahmoud.  I'm secretary, and we are looking after a Bangladeshi school of internet governance.

>>  My name is Tashi from Japan.  I'm vice chair of the Internet Providers Association.  We are teaching graduate university.

>>  My name is Joshua.  I'm a fellow of the Ghana school on internet governance.  As well a mentor for this year's school.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  I'm from the Republic of the congo.  Coordinated the first ever school of internet government in the Democratic Republic of congo.  Thank you. 

>>   Good morning.  My name is Samuel from Nigeria, and I would like to observe what this school is all about. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Welcome.

>>  Thank you.

>>  Good morning.  My name is Joseph, and I am a fellow of the African school of internet governance for 2021. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.

>>  Secretary general of (?).

>>  Good morning, everyone.  Cultural coordinator from (?)

>>  I am from the coordinator of school of ‑‑ here I am your remote moderator as well.  Thank you so much.  (?)

>>  Hello.  My name is Raymond, and I am with the Ghana school on internet governance.  My organization is the convener of the Ghanian governance, and I'm their rapporteur for today.

>>  Director executive.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  My name is Deanna.  I'm from Jordan.  I am not affiliated with an internet school, and it's my first time at the IGF.  Thank you.

>>  Hello.  I'm teaching internet governance.  It's not a school but a course.  It's Fremont school university which operates online.

>>  Hello.  I'm from Chad, and today is my first IGF.  Thanks.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  I'm representing the ministry of ICT from Namibia.  This is the first time I'm attending IGF, and I'm looking forward for the discussion.  Thank you for sitting in the working group for the Namibia IGF.  Thank you.

>>  Good morning.  My name is June Paris.  I'm from ISOC Barbados, and I'm also a fellow of the school of internet governance.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  I'm from Ethiopia.  I'm new for this forum.  In fact, my work is related to this type of forum.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Welcome.

>>  Good morning.  I'm from Zimbabwe.  I'm with the policy and governance office for the ISOC and internet Zimbabwe, and I'm directly involved with the Zimbabwe school of internet governance.  Thank you.

>>  Good morning.  I'm Caroline from Zimbabwe.  I'm new to this forum.

>>  I am the director of the company called Bridge.  We work on resource delegation in education in general, and we are trying to reach inaccessible areas through digital resource delivery.  Thank you.  I'm new to this forum of this year.  I think I'll be part of this year after.  Thank you.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  I'm from Sierra Leone.  I'm also new to this room.

>>  Good morning.  My name is Sergio from Mozambique.  I am supporting school of internet governance through the project.  Also I'm teaching internet governance school at African commission through that project.  Thank you very much.

>>  Hi.  This is Bagram from Nepal.  I'm here with school on internet governance as one of its advice chair and also I'm one of the (?). 

(Off microphone).

>>  Good morning.  I'm Marcus, and I'm the co‑facilitator of the dynamic coalition coordination group, and I'm here to observe and to learn more about this dynamic conversation.

>>  I'm the organizer of the African school of internet governance, and I live in South Africa.

>>  Hello.  I'm the coordinator for the European summer school on internet governance, which was the first one who started with this initiative, and it's absolutely great to see how many schools are existing meanwhile across the globe.  We were also together with Avri in form this dynamic coalition.  Avri sometimes calls me a chair, but I never asked for that title actually.  I think this is a network of schools, and that's not necessarily needing a chair.  Rather, someone who is taking care of the Secretariat, which Avri did so far. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  You're actually co‑chair from the very beginning.  If we can now switch to the ‑‑ can we get the screen also that has not us but the other people and Abdeldjalil, can you take us through the remote participants so they can do the same thing?  Thanks. 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  Thank you so much.  We have a raised hand.  We have Olga from Argentina.  We have ‑‑ after that, and we have one for our co‑host.  The name is difficult to pronounce.  I'm so sorry.  You have the floor. 

>> OLGA CAVALLI:  Hi.  This is Olga ‑‑ okay.  Sorry.  I thought I had to speak.  Is that okay? 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Please. 

>> OLGA CAVALLI:  Thank you.  Sorry for that.  Very early morning from bueno Aries, Argentina.  I'm the coordinator focused in mainly in Latin America and the Caribbean with my colleague.  We have been doing this for ten years this next year, so thank you for having me. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Was there another person that wanted to introduce themselves remote? 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  We have Leanna and then we have also from Sarata.

>>  Hi.  I hope you can hear me.  My name is Leanna.  I'm the organizer of the Armenian school of internet governance and also the coordinator of the Armenian RGF.  It's really nice to be here, though remotely. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Anyone else?

>>  Good morning, everyone.  Greetings from St. Petersburg.  I'm so sorry for remote.  Named myself in Latin, but my name is Ilona.  I'm a co‑host and organizer and lecturer at the Russian summer school of internet governance.  We exist for three years already, and it's nice to meet a lot of people who also are involved in IG schools either at lectures or as participants.  Thank you.  Anyone else? 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  We have Sarata and Stacey.  You have the floor. 

>> SARATA OMANE:  Hello.  Greetings, everyone.  This is Sarata from Ghana.  I'm the manager for the Ghana school on internet governance.  It's a pleasure to be part of this group.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  And next?

>>  I'm Stacey Gildenston.  I'm here a last minute request on behalf of Glenn McKnight from VSIG and ASIG.  Just checking in so he knows I showed up for the gig.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  You guys have a chance to talk a little later.  He actually has a speaking role for you.

>>  That's what I heard.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Okay.  Now, what do I do to get the slides up?  Do I do anything intentional or ‑‑

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  And we have gene Laport. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Oh, another one.  Please.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  I'm a member of ISOC 80.  I'm among the 30 IGF ambassadors.  It's a great pleasure for me to be here. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Have we gone through everyone?  It takes a little bit of time, but it's really good.  It's really good to, A, have heard everybody's names.  Not that people like me will necessarily remember all the names, but also to hear the different schools.  Is it one of these buttons I press to get the slides?  Yes. 

Okay.  So let's start going through this.  There's actually a fair amount of content I'm hoping we get through.  Let's go. 

Sandra may say she's not the chair, but this actual group elected her or appointed her as the chair I think it was four, five years ago.  I've been acting as the coordinator over those years.  We have two rapporteurs that volunteered to do this, and I hope to meet with you right after this so that we can get our required statements in.  Then as you've seen, we have an online moderator Abdeldjalil.  I apologize up front when I pronounce names wrong and correct me. 

This slide is in the deck.  By the way, the deck is pointed to if you go to our mention.  I wasn't able to upload it because the size requirements that IGF imposes are that, but here's a bunch of them. 

And this slide will show up again at the end. 

So we've done welcome.  I want to introduce the session and go through the agenda.  So the first thing we've got is a self‑introduction of new and planned schools since last year.  I don't know if there are any.  None of them submitted slides, but I do have a chance.  I'll stop.  Any new school that formed in the last year that formed since last year or that is just about to start one, I'll invite you to say a couple of words about your school.  Then we'll go through some of the schools that exist.  These are all schools that introduced themselves last year and the year before and some of them have volunteered saying, yes, we did something new and give them a couple of minutes to talk about what they did new.  Then we go to the main sort of content part of the discussion, which is to sort of look at how schools can sustain efforts to include relevance to support of the SDGs, and we have a couple where we have actually picked out where some of the schools said, yep, we've done something about that and so they're going to be invited to speak, and hopefully other people can contribute. 

Then assuming time, we go through the plans for next year, and that's sort of a standard part of our yearly DC meeting.  We talk about what we've done.  We talk about an issue.  We talk about where we're trying to go next year.  Then I've asked the rapporteurs or rapporteur to do concluding remarks, which really are those key statements that the IGF once submitted within a matter of hours.  So while we're talking, I'm hoping that they're collecting and creating.  A quick any other business if there is some.  Then time permitting, I have slides from many of the schools, and I can go through them quite quickly so people can see them, but they're also in the slide deck that all of you will be able to get. 

So the parade of existing and persisting Saints.  Let me go here now.  Any new schools?  Anybody here that founded a school in ‑‑ since last year that wants to say something about their new school, or do we have no new schools at the moment? 

Okay.  Sometimes I'm told I move on too quickly.  I wanted to give it a pause.  Is there anyone here that is in the midst of creating one and really wants to talk about because you'll have created it before we meet next year.  Yes, please.

>>  Thank you.  I don't know if I'm audible enough.  Like I mentioned, we are from Zimbabwe.  Zimbabwe school of internet governance is part of internet society Zimbabwe.  I'm the policy and information governance officer in the national executive council.  So for the last three years we've been running the school of internet governance, but it hasn't been getting enough, what do I say, information from the IGF.  We haven't been working with our IGF Zimbabwe governance forum.  Our first year it was just a consultation meeting which fed into the IGF meeting that happened in Zimbabwe.  Then the second year within a school of internet governance in Zimbabwe, but because of COVID it was online. 

Then the third year, which was this year, we had a school of internet governance, and in that school of internet governance we were trying to go around with a multi‑stakeholder approach.  We were not directly targeting people in the IGF, people in the academia, but people who are affected by internet governance issues in getting their perspectives so that it can fit into the governance forum as well. 

I think that's basically what we have been doing in Zimbabwe, and I know it hasn't been reported yet. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  I'm glad you finally found your way to us or we managed to make enough of a thing so that you came.  Then hopefully you'll participate, get on the mailing list.  You've seen in the slides so you can keep up.  Welcome.  Glad to have another school getting involved.

>>  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Anyone else want to talk about a new or upcoming school?  If not, I'll go on with the slides.  Yes, please.

>>  Hello, everyone.  I'm from Camarose.  I'm part of ISOC as well.  I'm a representative of the chapter of ISOC, and we organized a school of internet governance in 2020 during COVID, and it was online, and we organize a meeting of a grouping all those participated. 

It was part of support from the African Union.  We are looking to continue in this side because for now we have some difficulties to organize because we do not yet have a lot of people understanding the role and the importance.  We are definitely looking to look at the addition of the school of internet governance to be sure that we have a lot of people, all stakeholders understanding, and to be able to organize because we don't want to organize something by three or four people, but we would like really that's the first addition of our internet governance forum.  It will really involve maximum number of people.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Welcome.  Please take advantage of signing up for the list.  Also, to anybody that's starting a new school, you'll find a certain amount of resources in there about kinds of curriculum, things that are necessary.  You may be able to find clues and helpful hints.  Then, of course, using the list, any new school can sort of ask questions.  What do you do?  How can you?  Thank you. 

Okay.  Anyone else?  Yes, please. 

>>  (Speaking non‑English language).

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  I do apologize that we don't have interpretation.  I know, though, that we have some very talented bilingual people in the room, and if anybody wanted to give a quick recap.  I sort of understand, but I'm not qualified to do a translation.  Yes, please.

>>  Yes.  He is coming from Ivory Coast and also cord natures the national school of internet.  They are doing two additions in 2019 and 2020.  This year they will organize the western IGF and also they need to organize the western school and they need the support of DC for the expertise.  He is very happy to be here. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  I'm very happy to have him here.  We have the resources.  One thing we've talked about frequently is how to get multi‑lingual in the DC.  We have not achieved it yet.  Everything we do is sort of by volunteer.  Someone says I can do that, and then they do it, and it certainly is not something that I can do.  Unless we're going to do it in Italian, and nobody wants to do it in Italian. 

Anyway, so is that for the new schools?  Let's move on that.  Oh, no, that went backwards.  What am I doing?  Innovations.  We had several schools, and I'll go through the list quickly, ask then I'll give each one a chance.  We've had schools that have ‑‑ we have the AfraSSIG, the Euro SSIG, Ghana SIG, India SIG, North America SIG, Russia SSIG.  TD.  I forget TD.  Chad.  Sorry.  Some of them are really easy to remember.  South School and the virtual SIG.  Some of them submitted slides.  Some of them didn't.  I'll ask people from that school to speak to it briefly.  AfriSIG.

>>  Thank you very much, Avri.  AfriSIG has been going every year since 2013.  There are many people in this room at this IGF that have been part of that.  Generally AfriSIG is more of a leadership development experience than a school.  We have quite experienced ‑‑ our participants are people that are already engaged in internet policy, and we always have a practicum.  We encourage a practicum where they role play and produce a document on a real issue.  This year we did something different.  We had identified that there was almost no ‑‑ not no.  I should say insufficient African participation in the open‑ended working group, which is a United Nations first community process on international cyber security.  We used AfriSIG to try to address that gap.  We made it in three components.  An online component, a face‑to‑face component, and a third component that took place here in Addis beforehand.  We invited people that were senior, like the head of the Ghana.  Some were from law enforcement as well.  Senior law enforcement people. 

Together they negotiated and drafted a document.  What was really different this time, we felt we could induce the role play where someone in civil society played the role of government, which is what we usually do because we wanted this document to be a real document that actually had a mandate from those stakeholder groups.  So it was quite challenging in a way to lose the value of the role play because it's very powerful, the role play.  You know, if a journalist has to be a prime minister or whatever.  But the result was that we still had a negotiated document that was very, very good.  It was actually presented in New York, and the African Union Commission itself used that as a basis. 

I think what we learned from this is that you can still ‑‑ how we had to compensate then actually from not having the role play is we facilitated some discussions where different stakeholder groups could raise what they find most difficult about working with other stakeholder group, and it had to be facilitated very carefully, and people were very honest and frank.  We really felt it built trust, and it actually helped people understand why multi‑stakeholder corporation is not always so easy.  So that was just a slight innovation.  We would like to go back to the role play because we think it works very well, but I think what this demonstrated is that schools and the methodologies we are developing in these schools actually really can be applied in negotiating multi‑stakeholder output documents. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  That's really quite interesting.  One thing I have before I go on to the next is ‑‑ well, it's really good to see the people.  I would also like to be able to leave the writing they've got up there for a little while, and I'm not quite sure how I do that, so next one is APSIG.  Who do I have that's going to speak for APSIG?  I don't have anyone?  Do I have a remote person? 

In which case, you know, we could just quickly read what they submitted that they did it jointly with the APNIC 54 and with APrIGF in Singapore.  Created a ‑‑ we have a speaker for it?  No, we don't.  So they created a reserved fellowship seat for a person with disabilities.  The joint event provided a big bang reopening after the COVID‑induced virtual editions and created a separate program for persons with disabilities starting with the Dhaka workshop for PwDs.  If someone was from APSIG or someone knows it, they could translate for us. 

Okay.  I'll move to the next one.  ArSIG.  Would that be you, Olga? 

>> OLGA CAVALLI:  Yes, thank you.  Maybe I can give the update from The South School and Argentina school of internet governance so we save some time.  What we did this year was go again in a hybrid mode.  After two years of pure virtual participation because of COVID.  The difference is we always had remote participation, but this year it was really hybrid, so we hired a special company that brought us a TV‑style environment that was very nice.  You can see that in our YouTube channel. 

The South School of internet governance is focused in Latin America since 2009.  I think it was the second school.  Argentina school of internet governance started in 2017, so for both schools we had this new hybrid scheme.  In the south school of internet governance we had 200 fellows.  60 on site and 140 online.  All the activities that I will tell you about are available in English and Spanish with simultaneous translation. 

So the new thing that we had this year is three stages learning.  There is two months learning online self‑assisted training program in Spanish and English.  Two months for that.  Then we have the classic one week full‑time teaching school, which is hybrid.  Translation English and Spanish.  What we add this year ‑‑ one comment about the online training, the two‑month online training, we do all the material with our team.  This is not copy‑pasted arrange of materials done given to the students.  We do videos.  We do podcast in Spanish and English and reading material in Spanish and English.  It is for the pretraining.  We offer a research stage.  This is the third part.  If you already did two previous stages and you approved all the test that we have for them, you can access fellowship for doing research phase.  If you complete it, then you get diploma on internet governance and regulations.  You can do that in English and Spanish, so we have 30 professors from the university that can handle students from two languages.  We are mainly focusing on continuing in Latin America, but with this remote participation and after COVID and this year we had also fellows from Africa, Europe, Asia, and North America.  Mainly Latin America, but we also heard from other regions.  Everything is in YouTube in the two languages now, and also all the program is live broadcasted in YouTube in the two languages.  Now our team is cutting all the different sessions into the YouTube channel, so it's easier for people to review.  I think that's all for ‑‑ one important thing.  Nobody pays for this.  It's only fellowship.  Free fellowship.  Nobody pays for all this training.  You also ‑‑ you only have to apply for fellowship and be selected.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you very much.  Okay.  I'll go to the next.  Oh, come on.  Okay.  Did I miss?  No.  EuroSSIG.  That's yours.

>>  Thank you, Avri.  We are also doing a practicum for quite a while.  Here we took the good example from the African school.  I think we are the first, which came after the practicum.  We use those practicums in the past to contribute to ongoing global processes, but we also did role play.  Mist say this year's practicum results are the most significant that we ever produced with the fellows, and I must say I was very impressed how serious they take that contribution to the global compact, how they discussed, how they really during the discussion mentioned that, okay, I understand now what your point of view is and where my blind spots are in my world of business or in my world, in my place in the world, so we submitted this input recently to the U.N. website for the global compact.  You can find it on that website and all of the submissions, but you can also find it on our website, and I would really recommend all the other schools that might happen in the next couple of months to look into this global compact as well.  I think that would be a great contribution from this group to a U.N. process.  This really can make a difference I have a feeling, and also, for the future.  I mean, that will not be the last U.N. process or global process that is going on.  I do think that schools can raise a lot of awareness to be recognized on the firsthand, but then also to contribute to these processes if these schools are participating in these global processes.  I think that's really important.  It would possibly also help you to gain some hands because it's not just a theoretical exercise that you are doing.  It's a very practical exercise that really has an impact on top of the knowledge transfer that you, of course, all do in those schools.  We did it this year it was an extremely positive experience.  The best we had so far.  That's ‑‑ that was basically the highlight of this year. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Okay.  Next.  Ghana school on internet governance.  If we can leave the slide up a little because there's stuff to look at.  Who is going to speak to this one?  I know we had several people from that school in the room.  There must be someone to speak.  Otherwise, I'll just say look at the pretty picture.  Please, Sarata, go ahead.  Speak to your slide.  I don't know if it's possible to leave the slide visible.  I don't know if there's a way to do that. 

(Audio cutting out).

>> AVRI DORIA:  We're having problems with the audio.  Isn't there some way to have the slide in a little picture.

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  I can try again.  We have someone here. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Please try again.  Otherwise someone ‑‑

(Audio cutting out).

>> AVRI DORIA:  Yeah.  Sorry.  You're still cutting in and out.  I don't think there's anyone that can understand.

>>  So I'll take it.  Raymond here for the record from the Ghana school on internet governance.  The Ghana school on internet governance is also a three‑stage program that we do with starts with the application process.  Then one month of online learning, and anybody that passes through the online learning is what qualifies a person to come for the face‑to‑face program.  It's not everybody who we select at the first day that goes through the process.  The whole fellowship process.  This year if you can see from the diagram on the right, which has the blue and the other color, we have increased the number of female participants to empower the female to engage more and we are seeing good results in what they are doing so far.  One of the engagements or the new thing that we have done we started doing this year is engaging the fellows to participate in other global activities, so this year we've participated in IEE program, which is a shared event, and we use strictly the fellows.  This is to empower them to get involved in other global activities.  This is one of the main initiatives that we have started this year, and we have put in place several other proposals for future engagements involving only the fellows.  Just to empower them for their engagement.  We are proud to see some of them here, and he is doing very well in the ecosystem.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you very much, Raymond.  Yeah, one of the things I'm already beginning to notice as we go through this is how some similar ideas sort of sprouted in very separate schools.  This is wonderful.  I'm really glad the slide stayed up while you spoke.  Okay.  The India SIG.  Who speaks to that?  Do we have someone remote or otherwise?  Oh, okay.  So I guess because of scheduling we lost.  So basically, you know, just to quickly read, they organize the seven edition as a face‑to‑face event at triple IT in Hyderabad, created a reserved fellowship seat for persons with distributes.  That's a good trend that's starting to show up in several schools.  And had a total of 60 fellows, national, local, ISOC chapters, government in this edition.  

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  Satish online. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Would you like to speak to your slide?  Oh, sorry. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Yeah, that was Abdeldjalil.  Let's move on because there's many slides to go through. 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  Satish is here.

>>  Apologies.  I'm in the airport.  I don't have anything else to add.  Thank you for the opportunity.  Back to you, Avri. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you, Satish.  Have a good flight. 

>> SATISH BABU:  Thanks. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  North America SIG.  Stacey, this is your opportunity.  There's no picture to show.  Just an announcement that you are going to talk about new stuff.  Can somebody enable Stacey to speak?  And there's no slide for me to read here.  Oh, thank you.  There's Stacy. 

(No audio) you're unmuted.  We hear very softly, but we do not hear you.  We heard you before.  No.  Sometimes I hear a little bit of voice, but mostly I do not hear you.

>>  Stacy:  Sorry. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Why don't we move on and then ‑‑ because we're going to come back to the virtual SIG at the very end.  Maybe if we have taken care of the voice issues by the time we get to that slide we can cover both.  Thank you.  Okay.  There's the Russian SIG.  Who do we have to speak?

is Alana online or here or who else?

>>  It's me.  Hope you can hear me well. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Yes, please, go ahead.

>>  Okay.  So very quickly, first of all, I would like to say that our school quite resembles what Olga was talking about because we have the same type of structure, and we also have partnership with university and diploma, but the scale is modest.  We have hundreds of applications, like more of them, but we have 38, 40 fellows.  We are small, but yeah. 

Once our school was designed as an academic endeavor mostly, but with the experience and practice from people in the real industry, different stakeholders, this year we decided to actually edit this (audio lost) ‑‑ which of the guidelines for the U.N. and tech envoy. 

Our participants were debating different kind of principles and provides a document that can be submitted to GDC process, but it was kind of an educational exercise. 

Also, we have been researching the internet fragmentation.  On the slide you can see the thesis of the big mind‑map where they have technical, economic, political, and internet ‑‑ (lost audio ‑‑ for key infrastructure.  This is kind of our contribution. 

Actually, I'm very proud that we also prepare people to participate in different process, and IGF is one of them.  As I know, there are two here at ‑‑ (lost audio).

>> AVRI DORIA:  We just lost your audio, but thank you very much.

>>  As organizers ‑‑ okay.  Hope you have heard at least the basics. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Yeah.  No, we did hear.  Again, at the very end.  Thank you very much.  My slide.  Thank you.  Let me ‑‑ you want to ‑‑ it's not one that's in the list.  Okay.  Okay.  Let me go to the ‑‑ we already did the South School.  Okay.  The Chad.  Was there someone that wanted to speak to that one? 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  Abdeldjalil.  I have my colleague Mustapha.  We organize in Chad.  Our first edition of school.  It was in 2020.  Around 14 to 15 December in Chad.  We organize in collaboration with national ICT in Chad.  This is our first edition.  Our second edition was so difficult to organize, so now we are preparing to organize our second edition this year. 

So we are sharing the mailing list.  We train more than 55 people, but gender gap is there, so very anxious to close this gap.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Next is the virtual SIG, and so we'll try again with Stacy, but if not, I've been told that Andre in the room can speak to it or Stacy, do you just want to defer to Andre?

>>  Stacy:  I have my video off.  Do you hear me better without it. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Can I hear you.

>>  Stacy:  I'll say something brief and then committee add.  There's a major, major rewrite coming.  A major, major change in probably central approach to the class from VSIG, which I just personally completed, so I feel fortunate to see where this is going.  I'm going to help with that redelivery.  It will be exciting to see how that unfolds. 

We also, therefore, will have quite a few less people going through the school because there's going to be a major rewrite.  We also are going to be bringing on a GDPR for citizens class focused specifically from their perspective on how to navigate the system with GDPR, and it's a rewrite.  We're just waiting for funding on that, but it's a rewrite of something that already exists that lost its home.  Let's hope that comes through. 

I think those are the main things that I was told to relay.  Perhaps there's some more from Andre there?  Yes? 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  You've given us a lot to look forward to, so perhaps next year you'll be able to tell us about this.  Andre, was there anything you wanted to add about either North America or virtual?  Huh? 

(Off microphone).

>> AVRI DORIA:  Yes, so please.  Sure, pick a mic.  Thank you, Marcus.  Then I'll come to you.

>>  Andre, for the record.  I would like to, first of all, share my gratitudes to the leading members of the VSIG and SSIG.  This is our ‑‑ all of our colleagues Eduardo and Fred Calderon and Glenn McKnight, and I think I participated in both schools, and I think it's good combination that we have the virtual model and the internet VSIG with the last edition which happened in Puerto Rico in early November.  This experience is really positive, and I think it's a good example of combination of the virtual learning and in person learning. 

I think it's really important.  We have also the project to multi‑lingualize the VSIG process, and I'm also the part of this in translation of the content of the school Russian language.  So I think this experience will be positive.  Thank you very much for this.  I would also like to thank the board and participants for this opportunity.  I think virtual learning is really important.  Thank you very much. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you very much.  I've been asked by the Bangladesh school who wasn't reflected in the slides there that we would like to say a few words about the innovations that they've undergone this year.

>>  Thank you so much for giving the floor.  Very shortly, I'll share information about the Bangladesh governance to more capacity‑building and then part of community and also awareness for learning on various time demand context.  We are trying to minimize the rural community gap.  We've conducted the school by the local language and English.  It's easy to catch for all the community. 

We are creating fellowship also for the local and global, Les our school and the fellowship applicant was more than 400.  We could appreciate a few including Bangladesh school of internet governance in coordination.  For your information, we started from 2017, and we already conduct the sixth Bangladeshi school of internet governance.  The capacities of the multi‑stakeholder participated in internet governance process through the Bangladesh school of internet governance.  The process has been started as I mentioned from 2017, and as a result 541 stakeholders participated in and approximately 135 policy resource persons, policymakers that would share their knowledges.  Here we include the part to share their learning and experiences also.  Thank you so much. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  And I invite you to ‑‑ if you look at our slide deck, you'll see we have a slide per school, and each year we add new slides per school, so please prepare one and, you know, we would love to have you add it to the deck.

>>  Thank you so much. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  So now I don't know if there were any questions.  We are ‑‑ I am doing terrible time management at the moment, so I apologize to that, but I really would like to get to the schools and the SDGs which was the content, and then we'll come back to the dynamic coalition and such as it is.  This is really something that we just started.  It was basically when committing to this particular session with the IGF having this particular direction we sort of said, oh, okay, you know, what are we doing?  So the question that we started asking ourselves, and it's very rudimentary, it's what has been done to date in SIGs?  Basically asks all the members of the dynamic coalition to sort of tell us what they had done and, you know, had they done something because we had not gone through that. 

Then the other question that I asked is what can be done, which obviously opens up the discussion a little bit more to sort of being creative.  I certainly don't believe that we will cover anywhere close to this whole subject in the next 15, 20 minutes, but wanted to basically start planning the ideas. 

What I've got is for about five of them, I think ‑‑ I don't know if I counted correctly ‑‑ there's a slide each, and so I'll put them up and then they do refer to what some schools have done, and then perhaps we can also get a little bit of participation that was such a big crowd, a lot of participation and we'll never finish anything. 

On the first one was basically looking at gender equality, empowering women and girls, and it was targets 5.2 and 5.5.  The Russian school made a contribution of what they had done.  The South School made a recommendation of ‑‑ I mean a statement of what they had done, and then there was a statement what can be done in the future, and I'll read that one out.  SIGs must keep promoting gender balance, especially ‑‑ I can't see that well ‑‑ promoting STEM and ICT careers and education among young students.  Specifically in Argentina SIG we have a good percentage of high school girl students that end up being very motivated to study these careers.  Now, I would like to open it up to a little bit of discussion.  I don't know if people from Russian SIG or South School want to speak more to it, but also just are there other ideas?  Are there things that people think could go beyond, and you're anxious to speak.  Yes, please.  Anybody want to speak to us? 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  We have Olga and then Iliana. 

>> OLGA CAVALLI:  I wanted to say from day zero it was 50% women and 50% men.  We had that interest from several high school, especially students of the last year of high schools in participating in especially in the Argentina school of internet governance.  They are quite motivated.  They are also not following interested in STEM careers, but also very much interested in different internet governance processes, at the regional and global level.  Now that it's more easy to participate virtually.  I think that was a nice outcome. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Your voice came through.  It was understandable, but it was kind of problematic in terms of the sounds. 

Next Ilona, please.

>>  ILONA STADNIK:  I hope it's okay to hear me.  I would say that we have gone to the other side because we have the majority of girls and women rather than men because we have ‑‑ it was these trends because each year we have more women applications than previously, but it could be alumni.  It's, like, 80% plus of girls.  Actually that's a problem, but there is a definition because a lot of participants have humanitarian background.  That's important.  We have political science.  We have social science.  We have journalism, but very little people from ICTs, from information security, and that's why we have a lot of girls there, but gratefully they start to get interested in ICTs and internet and internet policies and so forth.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Okay.  So I would like to open the floor a little bit.  I've got Anriette that wanted to ‑‑ anybody that has something to say about what can be done in the future and wants to add to that.  Please, Anriette.

>>  On the SDG topic.  Well, for the AfriSIG we have always ‑‑ gender equality is a core goal for us.  It's not very difficult to get it.  We also include in our application process.  AfriSIG is a competitive process.  We've had from 800 to 300 in a slow year participants that we have to select from.  We actually have a question in the application form about how you see gender in internet governance.  Initially this was actually people actually answered this question.  Now we find that they sometimes cut and paste text from the internet societies pages, which, of course, they are immediately disqualified when they do that.  But what we do in the session itself, we always have a gender expert that presents.  We also ‑‑ and we have discussions on gender.  We try and put LGBTR issues as well.  In Africa that's a very sensitive topic.  Why have an African school on internet governance if we're not talking about sensitive topics?  What we try and do to introduce development is we bring economists to the table and put trade on the agenda.  In Africa that is actually become simpler now because we have so many ‑‑ through the African union we have the digital transformation strategy.  We have the digital free trade initiative.  So what we then do ‑‑ so to make a long story short, we don't necessarily say SDG number X, target number XXX, but we actually very deliberately try and integrate broader economic and social and human rights development issues which are all in the SDGs into the curriculum.  So the curriculum is quite a lot broader than just focusing on internet governance.  We try and bring that broader perspective and facilitate critical debate.  That's my general thing. 

I want to just say I think it's good that we are focusing on the SDGs, but I teach at a lot of schools.  India, APSIG, sometimes at EuroSIG and various African schools, north African and south African.  I find two trends in SIGs.  Some encourage critical thinking and debate, and some of them don't.  That's the dividing line.  I don't think there's a right or wrong.  I think sometimes it can be good to start by just conveying the information, having this multi‑stakeholder internet governance.  ICANN does this.  ITU does that.  Sometimes they don't even talk about the ITU.  And internet society does that. 

I think in the long run I would really encourage all schools to through the practicum idea to encourage critical thinking.  If we don't have people that can be able to speak, to debate, to challenge as well as collaborate, we're not really going to change internet governance and make it fully inclusive.  That's a reflection I have now after several years, and it will be good to hear what people think.  I worry that by focusing on the SDGs in too narrow a way, we add more content, and we end up having less debate. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  It was an IGF recommendation for this year, so therefore, we went with it. 


>> AVRI DORIA:  Sandra wanted to add something, and then I see other hands. 

>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER:  Thank you, Avri.  I'm hopefully just speaking for Euro SIG.  I would like to confront everyone with a totally different trend.  Since a couple of years when we receive multiple applications for the European summer school, which is a global school and not just targeted to European fellows.  There is a vast majority really a vast majority of applicants, female.  Sometimes it's difficult because we want to have a balanced group in all respects between all stakeholders, between all genders, and between all regions.  Sometimes it's difficult for our school to find male participants.  The question that I have basically is how will this play out?  Is this the trend that these new or that these young women are becoming the next leaders because our slogan is teaching the governance leaders of tomorrow, and we take that very literally.  Or will there be a glass ceiling if the future for those talented women?  I must say it is mainly women who are also willing to, first of all, dedicate their time.  Secondly, pay their travel.  And maybe even pay for a participation of a fellowship is not available. 

I think this is basically a very positive trend when we talk about gender equality.  We just have to see how this plays out in the future when they are in the position of getting into leadership positions yes or no.  And so I encourage all the male participants to apply for a school as well because when you look at our statistics over the years 2007 to 2022, we have 200 females, we have 184 males and two others.  So since a while we also open up to if someone don't like to assign to male or female.  That's just a side note.  I think a very positive trend on the other hand. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  I had a bunch of ‑‑ I see one, two, three, four.  So I'm just going to go down the line.  First is the gentleman there, and then you're next.

>>  Good morning, everyone.  I'm from Brazil.  I am a former member of CGIBR, the Brazilian steering committee, internet steering committee.  Since the year 2014, we have our school inspired by our professor.  It's a big success.  Many editions.  More than 250 students. 

This was evaluated for other products.  One very interesting one is what did we call the legal school designated to the legal community, judges, prosecutors, and lawyers to be more aware of the themes that we are dealing with that are very connected to legal issues?  It has been a very good experience. 

Most recently by my initiative, we made an agreement with a University of San Paolo, that's the most traditional in Brazil and with the Advanced Studies Institute to create a specific chair to treat this matter of internet governance. 

And the products are very interesting, like seminars, books, and we have a discipline that is moved to its 15 different subjects related to internet. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.

>>  It's a very good experience. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  We're trying to sort of focus on this SDG theming at the moment.  I've known the school for a long time.  It would be lovely if the Brazil school participated in the DC.  It's been around forever, so it would be lovely. 

Next, please.

>>  Thank you for giving me this chance to speak.  I would like to acknowledge Zimbabwe participant.  I didn't know you are here.  When it comes to females that are applying.  I would like to say this is our third year, but our second school.  You find more females that are applying to the school.  When it comes to commitment, because we structured it in a way that there has to be an online school after an online school then you come to the face‑to‑face.  When it came to the online school, our female participants didn't participate.  The male participated more.  Why?  Because there was some commitment.  There was also some money that was involved. 

So you would find female participants at the most applicants, but when it comes to participating in fulfilling the objectives, it's the males that are doing it. 

Then from one session I was in yesterday I will quote.  There was some general ‑‑ some general consensus from someone from France and German which were asking why are you women pushing for the gender, for us to accept you on the gender base when you are not playing up the part?  What really is your problem?  Because now when are you just saying it's gender, it's gender.  Now when it comes to internet, we are speaking about gender a lot, but what really is our problem?  What is really the gender problem?  Is it commitment because from Zimbabwe I'm saying female applicants are the most, but when it comes to fulfilling and commitment, they are the least. 

I don't know.  I'm here to learn as well.  Then the third thing I would want to speak about is multi‑stakeholder report when it comes to internet governance in the schools for internet governance.  You are looking maybe to take people from grassroots.  Say grassroots, people that are not policymakers.  When they are not policymakers, we have their views.  Is it going to push the agenda any way further?  Now we are having, say, 25 participants that have been ISOC has paid for 25 participants that have been there, but none of them are policymakers.  They are just grassroots in multi‑stakeholderism approach.  How is it going to ‑‑ those are my things. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  I'll come back to you at the end.  Going down the line, okay, who was next, please?  Then I see Raymond and I don't know if there was anyone else.  Sir, please.

>>  Hi, everyone.  I'm from Chad.  I coordinate the Chad IGF.  With the challenges that we have been experiencing, such as internet shutdown, internet fragmentation, or inaccessibility to internet devices, how can we create relevant and interactive school of internet governance to achieve the SDG in developing countries?  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Okay.  Thank you.  That's another important question that would take a different meeting, I think, for us to get into, but I'm going to record the question as something that we should look at is how do we create schools in development areas while people are shutting down the internet all around them?  Raymond, please.

>> RAYMOND MAMATTAH:  One thing we do at the Ghana school on internet governance is we segregate the suppression ‑‑ the selection process from the men ‑‑ between the men and the women so that the women do not compete with the men.  In that case we are able to rate the ladies and get the isolation into the state because most of them do not put in very good application.  However, if we selected and realize that they participate in very well.  That is one thing that I would encourage the other schools also to do.  To segregate the selection process so that we can get more ladies in the process. 

I want to acknowledge the presence of one of our fellow scholars, who is also here with us.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Did I catch everybody in this line that wanted to comment?  I think I'm going to put that comment about internet shutdowns and how do you do a school as one of the significant points I mentioned.  Not that I think we can solve it or discuss it to any extent here because we're not going to finish.  Okay, please. 

Thank you.  I basically wanted to respond so what my colleague in Zimbabwe say.  There are a lot of gender roles.  I do school outreaches every time, and then you ask them what they want to do, and you have the boys saying they want to be an astronaut or a scientist, they want to be a computer genius.  Then the girls will go, like, I want to be a nurse and a teacher.  Basically that's it.  That's where you grow and get lots of low quality applications, if I should say so when you compare it to the men.  That is one.  Two, the entire internet or let me say online school system is just very technical.  For a girl that has lived all her life she wants to be a nurse or a teacher, you know that person has been told that you can't be technical.  For the females I have to check on them every day to make sure they're on course and they are getting their class works and assignments done.  I think that's what we all need to do.  Be deliberate about it.  It's almost too technical for the African girl.  Once we are able to do that, we can get a lot more females committed to it. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  We have very different experiences.  I hope nobody dumbs anything down for me.  Please.

>>  Just on that note I think confidence rather than commitment is going to be the issue, but I think the idea of dumbing down or the like is not the way to go.  I think it's a case of we need to reason force the fact that you are competent and you know what you are doing and so on.  I think that's a bigger thing. 

What I actually wanted to come in with is a follow‑up from Henri.  It's a critique from bringing in the SDGs and over laying the content at the expense of debate.  That is a couple the schools in Zimbabwe talked about this in two phases.  One thing that should be considered is to put content loading as it were, things that are the technical ‑‑ this is the chart and this is that you can learn.  To put that more in turn online sort of approach to put that ‑‑ what can be put in a textbook gets put in a textbook so is that when you do face‑to‑face interactions, that needs to be focused on critical thinking.  That needs to be focused on critical engagement.  I also think that the advantage of taking that line is that it means that you can identify at the content stage issues of confidence, issues of people, feeling that they're not ready and you can then take in the stream and look at it and take it from that perspective.  That was just sort of my submission. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Before I go on with more hands, I am basically going to admit that I'm going to fail at getting through the rest of the slides, so we're there.  That would be taking the advice is don't go through the SDGs.  Let's do some critical thinking. 

We have 15 minutes. 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  Online comment. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  I'll get to you.  We've got 15 minutes left.  This discussion is building nicely.  Anybody object?  We can look at the slides some other time.  We have remote meetings.  I'm more than happy to schedule a meeting where I'll go through the ‑‑ not that anybody will join a meeting.  We have six people sometimes join us for dynamic coalition meetings online, but I'm more than willing to schedule an online discussion to go through the rest of it if people want, but now, okay.  Does anybody object to doing that with the last 15 minutes as opposed to trying to rush through?  I see no objection.  The online comment, please. 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  Yes.  We received a comment from Liona.  She said in terms of gender participation I should say that more than 19 person in Armenia is ‑‑ you receive another comment from Sarata Omane.  In relation to SDGs, we are making an effort to engage and create awareness to engage more women who are equally willing to engage in community and contribute to policymaking.  Over 100 female participation in this year.  The last one we received from Stacy.  I have a special interest in teen learning about internet.  We lose girls from tech so young by 12 years they will start to turn out.  I don't know if Liona needs to speak also. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thanks.  Did someone want to speak?  Is that what you ‑‑ okay.  In which case, did you want to comment?

>>  I wanted to respond to the really good question.  Interesting question from Zimbabwe.  And on the gender issue.  Firstly, in our experience in Avri's sake, we never have a problem having 50% participants.  Never.  We never find a difference in the quality of participants between men and women.  They have different strains, different experiences.  I think if you have that experience, you need to think about how you present your school, how you package your school.  Things that really work.  Having women faculty absolutely is essential.  It's just not in today's age you don't run a school with a majority of your presenters are male.  If you do that, then don't even pretend to aspire to gender equality.  Next, the moderation.  You need to moderate in such a way that it's inclusive, and not just in terms of gender.  People of different ages or people who have less or more confidence or less or more experience.  So make sure that your methodologies really enable ‑‑ some of us have minorities as well in our countries.  Just to make sure that it's very inclusive.  I think the thing that I think Paul you mentioned that remember that your participants, they all have knowledge.  They might have knowledge of something that's a little bit different from what's on that particular topic.  People will feel that they have expertise, and they will be given the opportunity to share their expertise. 

Then I think the real thing here is how do you view internet governance?  If you present internet governance as DNS, IP numbers, IP addressing and what's the other ‑‑ and the IGF, for example, you are not really going to attract a broader audience.  It's a room for technical training.  I think it's very important to do technical training.  If you are approaching internet governance from a public policy perspective, put in human rights.  Put in small business development.  Put in sort of economic development and internet governance.  You will get the woman that will come, and they will add value.  In that way you can also encourage your women to go to more technical.  I think, finally, your point about people in rural communities, target your curriculum.  I think there's a tendency for us to come up with standardized curriculums for schools.  It can be helpful, but it can also be alienate you from your audience.  If you target ‑‑ if you are working with a rural audience, maybe you want to look really at local governance issues.  What your telecoms regulator is doing.  How small ISP operates.  What the pricing system is of your mobile operators and how people can make the best of that.  How they can influence government. 

So I see Noxi is sitting over here.  Put up your hand.  She runs a community network school where they work with people in community networks on policy.  It's not the same as an IG school curriculum.  They're targeted specifically for the needs of their audience. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Was there other hands?  We've got ten minutes left we could discuss or I can go to another slide and open up another set of discussions.  Yes, please.

>>  Hello.  Alexandra from Moscow University.  Actually, we can afford ourselves not provide preselection so we usually allow to enroll everyone.  We are all natural selection.  If somebody doesn't interest, I wouldn't continue.  Actually, if we are talking about this topic, I would like to say that our course is running for, like, 15 weeks, so it's long enough, and I would like to share my statistics on who works on students is being done.  Clearly it's clearly seen that more technical, more engineering, more standard‑oriented homeworks are usually being well done by male females prefer communication and diplomacy.  Also because we have such long times, we have carefully watched how to tell.  We try to reach our lecture and our practical task to say combination of low and technology to keep interaction of different audiences.  Maybe the issues you have stated has meant that most schools present themselves not like engineering, mathematics, but more about communication which might lose interest of boys.  Maybe if you want our experience, which is not current, which is not just application, and we can share it. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Any other comments?  Otherwise ‑‑ please, yes.

>>  To add something to my colleague's statement that this combination of low‑end technology may be social politics and technology is really important not only for gender equality, but I think it's also important, but also for understanding of the processes of the internet governance better because all of these are combination between technical and societal and maybe legal issues.  That's why it is good idea like to start in the Moscow University.  By the way, I'm teaching with Alexander these courses.  We are doing this from different perspectives.  He is from technical perspective.  I'm from ‑‑ I have legal background, and I'm doing this from legal perspective.  This is really important because good disciplinary approach.  Thank you very much. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  What I think ‑‑ okay.  Yes, please.  A remote? 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  We have two comments. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Yeah. 

>> ABDELDJALIL BACHAR BONG:  One from Russia SIG from Lona.  She says that Russia SIG has also little selection.  We take and involve everyone with clear interests, but half of them drop out during the course.  The second one from ApiSIG.  There are any SIG for development?  I strongly recommend for IGA for internet governance for student to become effective in leader citizen. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Yes, please.

>>  Just one brief comment.  I know that internet schools are largely about innovation.  I am a little bit maybe it's my personal opinion, but saddened to see that we still talk about women and men in the very traditional sense of what this means and indicates.  There are so many identities in society nowadays, and also, I really don't think that a center agenda comes with certain interests and hobbies and futures.  I hope that the internet schools can change their mindsets of the practitioners and the organizers as well as the people who participate.  I can not help but feel a little frustrated with this because it's supposed to be about some future forward values.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you very much.  What I'm going to do now ‑‑ now, I think at this point I've only got five minutes left.  So what I really want to do is I'm going to quickly go through the rest of the SDG slides.  We're not going to talk about them, but what I want to say is basically if we find that there's an interest in perhaps having a meeting on one of these subjects and having deeper discussions, than we can have in another five minutes, I would happy to, and we can figure out how to use the DCSIG that's talking about schools, but to cover some of these issues.  So we had issues that people were going to talk about 7, which is sustainable and energy.  We had people that contributed to what was happening in their schools in terms of 13, in terms of combatting climate change where they're covering that in some of the schools.  Fortunately, most of the schools don't just look at gender issues.  I recommend that people look at these and perhaps they about it and we can talk about it more within the DCSIGs. 

Then there's promoting peaceful and inclusive societies for a sustainable development and access to justice.  So basically something that be done in some of the schools where they focus on it, and also an indication of what has been done.  Interoperability and open systems and looking at some of that and how it fits in.  Then the other thing that was on our agenda, which we'll have to get to in an online meeting, when we're all back to just doing online meetings, was basically what we were going to do next year.  Last year we came up with a great list of tasks.  We didn't do any of them.  Basically want to start and it wasn't something that I thought we would get resolved today, but basically want to and would love to see more of you when there is a DCSIG meeting online participating and participating in the list and getting discussions going and getting different ways to share opinions as opposed to waiting for the one day that we get together for an hour and a half. 

Some of the discussions that we could have and, look, you were going to say something to this.  I don't know if you still want to. 

>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER:  Yes, basically thank you.  Basically I would like us to have a look at the fabulous list from last year and what you could actually achieve and where still some work needs to be done.  We had some ideas of what could happen in the next year, but reality showed that not everyone has the capacity to participate constantly in such a dynamic coalition.  Going through that list, the first point is ongoing development of the tool kit.  I think this was something that we accomplished quite good. .  The second point was a further development of the operations guide.  Okay. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  We have two minutes left.  And I've got to do that one.  Then.

>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER:  If I have screen sharing rights, which I don't have at the moment, but please go to that website IGschools.net.  There you will find also a link to a Wiki that was set up, and I would encourage every school to encourage the fellows as well as the faculty to sign up in one of the forums because what we are actually aiming to do is building a network of global alumnis. 

This is really something where I think that could be of benefit for all schools in terms of gaining funds for the future because those who have been gone through such a school might now be in a leading position in a company and might be willing to support a school that helped them to emerge.  & that helped them to build a career.  I really would encourage all of us to build this network.  We will for the Euro SSIG we will move on and creating such an alumni network for our school, but I think the real benefit comes when it's a global network of alumnis so that they can also exchange.  The same goes for the faculty.  I also think the faculty would have a great value if they are globally connected so that if a new school emerges, they can also have resource person, male and female, and diverse from the region. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  Okay.  Thank you.  Rapporteur, can you give us two sentences.  What are the key take‑aways?  What are the key ‑‑

>> RAYMOND MAMATTAH:  Raymond here for the record.  At the beginning of this section we had 30 participants in the room and 15 online, and at the end we had 45 in the room and 24 online.  The two take‑aways for the session is the recommendation from Euro SIG that we commend for the schools to take contributions towards the global compacts.  That's the first recommendation that has been very significant.  And the second one is the SIGs must keep promoting gender balance, especially promoting STEM and ICT careers and education among the young students.  This came from the RSIG.  Thank you. 

>> AVRI DORIA:  I think with that I've got my time instructions, right?  We're at the end of our time.  Yes.  You represent time to me now. 

So I thank you all.  It was a good discussion.  I wish we could have had a half day, and perhaps someday we can find a way.  I'm really impressed by the number of people that came, talked and whatever about SIGs. 

(Off microphone).

>> AVRI DORIA:  He would have to give me permission.

>>  So sorry.  We do have a (?).   My school is located in Kyoto.  As I may know the next one is in Kyoto, so if you have any requests or demand, something, I will ‑‑

>> AVRI DORIA:  It might be that DCSIGs day zero type event. 

>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER:  A networking session for alumni of all schools at next year's IGF


>> AVRI DORIA:  Thank you.  Fantastic.  I look forward to it.  Okay.  So we are done.  I'm sorry we didn't get more time, but they only give us 90 minutes.  Yes, actually I would like to think about a day zero type extended event where we're not rushing people or people getting a chance ‑‑ I feel bad about rushing people.  I feel bad about that, but yes ‑‑