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287 "12271900" (620406784)
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Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Um, let us start our meeting.
288 "12271900" (620406784)
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And thank you very much for a few who I, here physically, and also those who are online. I know it's difficult for some of you, especially in the late hours or early mornings. Um, thank you very much for joining us.
289 "12271900" (620406784)
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Um, as you know, this is the town hall, um, where the tech envoy Under Secretary General Singh is going to meet with the IGF.
290 "12271900" (620406784)
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Community, and he's going to tell us a bit about, um, the taken voice offers the plans for the future, the GDC, um, et cetera and then we're going to take some questions.
291 "12271900" (620406784)
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This meeting is being recorded.
292 "12271900" (620406784)
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And, um, we are going to have a copy of the recording later for those of us who could not join.
293 "12271900" (620406784)
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And with that, um, I'd like to introduce the under secretary general.
294 "12271900" (620406784)
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Thank you very much. Thank you to the secretariat for organizing this meeting and, uh, thank you very much to the ICF community for turning up, but I know.
295 "12271900" (620406784)
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Busy days and you have a lot on your minds and on your calendars. So.
296 "12271900" (620406784)
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Really appreciate, uh, uh, that you've taken the time and.
297 "12271900" (620406784)
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Join, uh, this, this discussion.
298 "12271900" (620406784)
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I talked to.
299 "12271900" (620406784)
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I'll divide my remarks today into 3 paths. Firstly, tell you a little bit about the, uh, office of the tech and more in the background. Um, uh.
300 "12271900" (620406784)
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How are we organized? What are the priorities? What's the vision for the future and 2nd tell you about, um, the global digital compact process.
301 "12271900" (620406784)
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And, um, how that relates to the.
302 "12271900" (620406784)
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Broader agenda of the summit of the future.
303 "12271900" (620406784)
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It's it's 1, among many pieces, uh, That'll be taken up at that time and finally, um, 3rd, part of my intervention just want to, um, get into some details about, um,
304 "12271900" (620406784)
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how we work with the community. How our vision is around that, uh, the existing kind of touch points, but also new ones that are emerging, uh, looking at the upcoming meetings and others.
305 "12271900" (620406784)
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And then, uh, in Japan, next to.
306 "12271900" (620406784)
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So, if that's okay, let me just go ahead and get into, uh, uh, the, the substance of my remarks and apologies to those who heard me earlier today,
307 "12271900" (620406784)
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or in recent days if, uh, if you have things to attend to on your device, please go ahead.
308 "12271900" (620406784)
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All right, so, um, there was, um, uh, this reflection in 2018, 2019 on digital cooperation at the initiative of the U. N.
309 "12271900" (620406784)
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Secretary general, which led to a report, the report of the high level panel on digital cooperation. Uh, it's a set of 5 recommendations. Some of you may have read that report.
310 "12271900" (620406784)
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Um, it had a chapter on digital governance issues. Um. chapter on digital governance issues um
311 "12271900" (620406784)
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And, uh, since there is no silver bullet for almost anything, it proposed 3 models of digital cooperation in 1 of them,
312 "12271900" (620406784)
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the Internet governance forum plus model recognizing the very important central role that the, a place, a place to a multi stakeholder approach.
313 "12271900" (620406784)
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And then there were some specific recommendations around additional inclusion, addressing the digital divide.
314 "12271900" (620406784)
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Building update the Commons, um, and 1 of the recommendations was about the need for the U. N. to have a Tech. Envoy.
315 "12271900" (620406784)
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And, uh, these, uh, reflections were taken forward by through the secretary road map on digital cooperation.
316 "12271900" (620406784)
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And then in the context of the 75th anniversary of the, uh, United Nations, uh, there was, um, uh, a recognition, uh,
317 "12271900" (620406784)
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the member states recognize that among the 12 important things that they are going to strive for, um, in the context of that solemn location. 1 of them was. them was
318 "12271900" (620406784)
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Going to be to accelerate digital cooperation so, in a sense digital moved, uh, to the.
319 "12271900" (620406784)
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The front of the, uh, policy agenda, just as with the business process in 2003, 2005 this holy shopping information society. What kind of role does Internet plain? Our lives. role does internet plain our lives
320 "12271900" (620406784)
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How should we get together around that, you know, move to be 1 of those defining, uh, issues it's been a while coming but here it is, uh, digital is 1 of the,
321 "12271900" (620406784)
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the priority items on the international agenda. Uh, the member states asked the secretary to, uh, produce a report.
322 "12271900" (620406784)
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And, uh, um, he did that on the location of the 75th anniversary. Uh, and this is, uh, uh, our common agenda that's the title of that report.
323 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, and he underlined, uh, the priority to be according to the digital space, and the need to protect the online space and strengthen its governance.
324 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, and this is where, uh, the global digital compact was 1st mentioned, uh, to be developed through. developed through
325 "12271900" (620406784)
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They call the track, which would outline shared principles for an open, free and secure digital future for all.
326 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, and and this common's approach, um, is worth reflecting a little bit on, uh, we are used to dealing with many comments in our daily lives, uh, uh,
327 "12271900" (620406784)
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common public spaces that we all use responsibly. There are some rules and regulations, uh, and the purpose there is not to bind us hands and feet.
328 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, but to facilitate the usage of those comments for the, the public good and then, you know, you can.
329 "12271900" (620406784)
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Fire up and look at the maritime comments. You can look at outer space many areas, which do not belong to 1 personal 1.
330 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, in in fact, traditional notions of kind of, you know, ownership and proprietary rights, uh, are are to be seen differently in those spaces.
331 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, and digital has become.
332 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, over the years 1 of those global comments, you are all steeped in the Internet and, you know, that's a global asset. It's a global.
333 "12271900" (620406784)
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Public infrastructure of science, uh, and so it's natural for, uh, us to look at the digital space, even though it's an artificial construct, unlike many of the other comments.
334 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, the, our planet it's, it's a natural, uh, construct.
335 "12271900" (620406784)
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The maritime domain is original domain is a bit of a human construct technological construct, a social social technological construct, but it's helpful to look at it in terms of the common similar problem.
336 "12271900" (620406784)
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Because, no, 1 really owns it sometimes. No, 1 really cares for it.
337 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, and, um, there are there is misuse there are risks and therefore you need to find ways to work together to address the misuse and the risk,
338 "12271900" (620406784)
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but also need to find ways to make sure that everyone can use it. Inclusively that it's not a club. It's a commons, so this is a bit of the background, uh, to that, uh, that approach.
339 "12271900" (620406784)
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Um, on for August, this year, the secretary general gave a speech, uh,
340 "12271900" (620406784)
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at the UN General Assembly where he outlined some of the areas that could feature in the global digital compact.
341 "12271900" (620406784)
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And this was just a kind of a few weeks after. I joined as the, um, and, um, um.
342 "12271900" (620406784)
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1 of the mandates that has given me is to support the development of the global digital compact support the, uh, digital track for the summit of the future, which will have these other pieces, outer space,
343 "12271900" (620406784)
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the climate change issue, a new agenda for peace, you know, many of the challenges that we are facing today, the larger idea being to reboot multilateralism to bring some more dynamism and energy into the agenda, which has.
344 "12271900" (620406784)
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Suffered a setback with, uh.
345 "12271900" (620406784)
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And with the situation today on energy security, food, insecurity, and the, um, the deck burden, and so on.
346 "12271900" (620406784)
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Now, this was a bit of the background now, what are the priorities, uh, for the tech invoice office uh, when you say tech it is.
347 "12271900" (620406784)
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Today, largely digital tech and its interface, uh, with some other emerging technologies. Uh, so, um.
348 "12271900" (620406784)
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Yes, we are today in the context of the which looks at the Internet and all the application, the content there is on top the, the protocol layer, the infrastructure layer.
349 "12271900" (620406784)
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You know, we have familiar with those 3 layers, but then there is a larger digital world. Uh, you have some new emerging technologies, uh, you'll have intelligent networks in the future.
350 "12271900" (620406784)
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At the end of the day. The Internet is a network of networks, so.
351 "12271900" (620406784)
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We have different ways to, um, to to approach, um, the networking.
352 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, challenge, so we need to look at those as well, uh, quantum computing, which may shift us from a binary world in terms of how we organize information to a different way of organizing information,
353 "12271900" (620406784)
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different sets of challenges around, um, uh, cryptographic.
354 "12271900" (620406784)
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Inclusion et cetera, uh, and, uh, and so on. So that's the broader context in terms of the mandate. Um, um.
355 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, insofar as tech is concerned, and then.
356 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, we've been asked to be the focal point on digital cooperation, which means being the 1 stop.
357 "12271900" (620406784)
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For different stakeholders, civil society, private sector governments, international organizations. Um.
358 "12271900" (620406784)
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Academia, uh, the tech community team, uh, to discuss these issues, uh, because not everyone has the resources to be present in different U. N, forums and domains.
359 "12271900" (620406784)
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So there is a need a felt need to have that kind of, uh, a single window. Uh, and then this has an inward.
360 "12271900" (620406784)
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Facing dimension, which is that within the U. S. system you have different agencies with their own mandates IQ, for instance, very strong mandate in terms of standard setting, digital inclusion, capacity, development, cyber security and so on.
361 "12271900" (620406784)
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So they have a role, uh, with its network on the ground, working with member states, on development issues.
362 "12271900" (620406784)
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They have a role UNESCO in terms of ethics, in terms of the information piece, in a sense, the social cultural piece, and so on. So, how do we have more of a 1 perspective?
363 "12271900" (620406784)
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How do we collaborate to be more effective and more responsive?
364 "12271900" (620406784)
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To member state needs, so that's part of this, um, this part of, uh, our work, the 2nd part.
365 "12271900" (620406784)
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Is harnessing the digital opportunity to accelerate progress on the, um.
366 "12271900" (620406784)
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There is tremendous progress being made.
367 "12271900" (620406784)
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By leveraging digital technologies, and we've seen that during Kobe governments, which had better digital public infrastructure. We're able to deliver vaccines faster.
368 "12271900" (620406784)
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We're able to manage the burden on the health system better, uh, and so on. So the message has gone home if you want resilience.
369 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, to health channel, public health challenges to disasters to climate change you better invest in digital um, and.
370 "12271900" (620406784)
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Then, uh, there will be, uh, in these specific domains of health, There'll be no universal health coverage without.
371 "12271900" (620406784)
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The leveraging roll of digital technologies in the domain of environment climate change. There'll be no green transition without.
372 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, data and and, uh, digital, so the green transition, and the digital transition go together, the move to USC, and it still go together, et cetera, et cetera.
373 "12271900" (620406784)
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So there is a specific and important and urgent.
374 "12271900" (620406784)
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Aspect here, which is again.
375 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, he's the demand side of the equation. So member states are asking how can the U. N. help us leverage the digital opportunity?
376 "12271900" (620406784)
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How can we come together better to use this new technologies to measure where we are? For instance? Uh, the data on the does not have it's not complete. It is not real time.
377 "12271900" (620406784)
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It does not tell you the whole story. So, problems remain undiscovered. Uh, and then we.
378 "12271900" (620406784)
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Have enough data to drive the solution, making to drive real time policy.
379 "12271900" (620406784)
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So, policy needs to be fine tuned. Uh, um.
380 "12271900" (620406784)
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In a life manner, so that requires digital. So there are many I've just given you a few examples, but there are some aspects of this leveraging that we need to, uh, focus on, in a strategic sense.
381 "12271900" (620406784)
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The solution making the specific issues on different agencies, have their own mandate. Uh, member states have their own programs, but who's kind of doing the meta work, you know, who's connecting the dots.
382 "12271900" (620406784)
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So that's 1 of the responsibilities that.
383 "12271900" (620406784)
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We've been asked to focus on finally the 3rd pillar is the governance biller.
384 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, here, uh, I mean, if the 2nd pillar was about the opportunity, this 1 is about challenge, uh, the threat of misuse the risk across 3 pillars of the U.
385 "12271900" (620406784)
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N, peace and security human rights and development and then.
386 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, the, uh, the issue of human rights online, uh, human freedoms, human agency, uh, protection of vulnerable groups.
387 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, so those are all important issues under the governance, uh, pillar. Um, I may have neglected to mention a few others. They are all there in some of our statements.
388 "12271900" (620406784)
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Some of our reports misinformation, disinformation, the importance of data protection, and, um, giving.
389 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, citizens and communities, uh, agency over their own data. So, data protection and data and parliament.
390 "12271900" (620406784)
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So, that's that's going to be under the governance, uh, theme. Um, and they will be a reflection on AI. There are several.
391 "12271900" (620406784)
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Initiatives within the U.
392 "12271900" (620406784)
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N system on, uh, so some recent guidelines and guidance has come out a few months ago, came up with, uh, uh,
393 "12271900" (620406784)
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guidelines on data and for health UNESCO, uh, adopted a recommendation on ethics.
394 "12271900" (620406784)
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So, obviously, this is a field of interest across the board and how can we facilitate an exchange of experiences around.
395 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, API, governance, across countries, uh, across different domains, and again, extract that meta, uh, understanding, which becomes a knowledge product, uh, of, uh, benefit,
396 "12271900" (620406784)
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uh, to those who are approaching the digital transformation, as come in a civil society as academia.
397 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, so this is, uh, an overview of the mandate of the office and its.
398 "12271900" (620406784)
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We are a small team based in the secretary in New York.
399 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, but, uh, we are, uh, mighty because we are networked and so working closely with colleagues in data and the very closely with, uh, the different bureaus and the,
400 "12271900" (620406784)
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um, other teams and 1 example of that. Collaboration is going to be something we, um, we'll start reflecting on next, uh, from next month. Uh.
401 "12271900" (620406784)
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A common blueprint on digital transmission pulling together the best brains within the U. N. system on digital issues and working towards a kind of a single hymn sheet kind of resource that can be helpful within the U. S.
402 "12271900" (620406784)
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system and to member states, and also counting on, uh, the goodwill, the support of a lot of academic partners. Um.
403 "12271900" (620406784)
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Civil society partners and, uh, the tech and and the business sectors. Now, let me just pivot quickly to the last part of my, uh, presentation.
404 "12271900" (620406784)
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I've mentioned the GDC, the tech invoice office and its mandate. Now, how does the IDF community plug into these? Um.
405 "12271900" (620406784)
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We have, um.
406 "12271900" (620406784)
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A call for inputs, which is live on the website we've extended the deadline. It will be on til 31st, March that's about the time.
407 "12271900" (620406784)
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When the 1st, kind of inputs are put together and reflected by the secretary general on behalf of the secretary into this process, which is owned by the president of the general assembly. Yeah.
408 "12271900" (620406784)
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So the preparatory process for the summit of the future is led by the PGA. And the CO, facilitators that the. the
409 "12271900" (620406784)
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Bullet point across these different tracks, um, digital, being 1 of those. So we, as the secretary would support that track and the 1st input will go in around that time.
410 "12271900" (620406784)
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And There'll be a final input, uh, in the form of a report from the, from the, uh, in June and then we'll have in September the ministerial meeting, which will look at how, um, how,
411 "12271900" (620406784)
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how to move forward into a more active negotiating.
412 "12271900" (620406784)
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Face at what point this phase kicks in, not for me to, uh, to speak on it's the PGA and the CO facilitators who judge that whole, uh,
413 "12271900" (620406784)
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evaluate that will be ready to support them. And we are working hard towards the 10. there'll be a series in addition to the public call for inputs. There'll be a series of targeted, uh, consultations.
414 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, we have started already, uh, when the ICU.
415 "12271900" (620406784)
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Uh, did the partner to connect, uh, meeting in there was, uh, some stock taking there recently at the planning part,
416 "12271900" (620406784)
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we did a consultation we've done a civil society town hall during the younger in New York, several meetings with the private sector, and I could go on, um.
417 "12271900" (620406784)
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Today is a very important day, because we are doing these concepts today and tomorrow doing this consultation in Geneva.
418 "12271900" (620406784)
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Geneva role is, uh, so different aspects from human rights to standard setting, uh, to the sustainable development goals, uh, initiatives that are around that.
419 "12271900" (620406784)
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Um, I've also been meeting with colleagues across the UN system to get their sense of what the priorities are, what the challenges are from.
420 "12271900" (620406784)
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To the high commissioner for refugees, you know, issues around data protection in sensitive humanitarian context and so on then when the meets and other shababa, uh,
421 "12271900" (620406784)
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the 5 items on the agenda closely aligned to the themes of the global digital coming back. So, there'll be a great opportunity for us to have, um, uh, more, um.
422 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:09.449
Diverse inputs coming into this, uh, this preparation, um.
423 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:10.254 --> 01:40:22.434
And so on, uh, uh, Germany is, uh, and I'm grateful for that is helping us organized 3, regional consultation in Asia, Africa, Latin America, Malta,
424 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:22.434 --> 01:40:32.874
which is hosting the digital diplomacy summit next month, is also helping us organize a consultation there with about 200 invitees who will come from different parts of the world, uh,
425 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:33.264 --> 01:40:38.904
and I'll be undertaking some targeted visits as well along with my colleagues. colleagues
426 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:39.449 --> 01:40:48.174
To to make sure that no voice is no significant important voice is neglected, depending on resources.
427 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:48.204 --> 01:40:57.684
We may try for a specific focus on youth, because if it's the summit of the future, it's about our digital futures then, you know,
428 "12271900" (620406784)
01:40:57.714 --> 01:41:09.354
we really have to make sure that those who are under 30 are engaged and their voices their aspirations. But what's the kind of digital future they want or they wish to have? What are the kind of.
429 "12271900" (620406784)
01:41:09.449 --> 01:41:24.444
They don't want to see and how should we get there? You know, those are important teams, not only for, uh, for us, but for the younger generation as well. So, um.
430 "12271900" (620406784)
01:41:25.434 --> 01:41:40.284
Let me just, uh, finished by saying that, uh, we recognize in the U. N. the importance of the, uh, the of leadership panel has been created.
431 "12271900" (620406784)
01:41:40.854 --> 01:41:41.423
Uh.
432 "12271900" (620406784)
01:41:41.759 --> 01:41:55.824
Colleagues in data who oversee the secretary, uh, I've worked with, uh, with my office and the, uh, executive office and secretary general to have that put together.
433 "12271900" (620406784)
01:41:56.274 --> 01:41:57.294
They, uh.
434 "12271900" (620406784)
01:41:58.434 --> 01:42:11.754
Came together and get to know meeting recently um, prior to the formal start of the work. Uh, so we are there to support your work to make sure that it is.
435 "12271900" (620406784)
01:42:12.114 --> 01:42:22.914
It gets the importance that it deserves. We are there to make sure that your outcomes become more concrete.
436 "12271900" (620406784)
01:42:23.184 --> 01:42:27.774
Uh, they are taken more seriously by policy makers.
437 "12271900" (620406784)
01:42:28.049 --> 01:42:40.229
And we are there to ensure that, uh, your, uh, agenda, uh, reflects what is the, uh, shared, um.
438 "12271900" (620406784)
01:42:40.229 --> 01:42:53.874
Set the priorities, uh, around different parts of the world and then I'm really delighted to learn of the progress that's being made by the regional by the National ideas.
439 "12271900" (620406784)
01:42:54.264 --> 01:43:03.684
This community is growing. It's becoming more diverse. It's becoming more connected to what's happening in different parts of the world and that's how it should be.
440 "12271900" (620406784)
01:43:04.049 --> 01:43:09.239
Thank you.
441 "12271900" (620406784)
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:18.539
Ah, thank you very much. Um, that was very useful and informative. Um, we're now going to open the floor to questions and, um.
442 "12271900" (620406784)
01:43:18.539 --> 01:43:32.969
Either online, or here in the room um, when I call your name, can you please just stage your name, your organization and your stakeholder group? Um.
443 "12271900" (620406784)
01:43:32.969 --> 01:43:46.829
Those a few in the, um, Webex room. Um, you can just, uh, raise your hand. You've got the raise hand signal at the bottom of the screen there. And here, you can just physically raise your hand. If you want to.
444 "12271900" (620406784)
01:43:46.829 --> 01:43:51.179
Ask a question so the flow is now open. Yes please.
445 "12271900" (620406784)
01:43:51.804 --> 01:44:05.574
Yes, Hello there it's an Emmy GIBSON from equality now, and you talked us through the consultation process that you've got planned over the next kind of 18 months or so, which sounds very impressive.
446 "12271900" (620406784)
01:44:06.084 --> 01:44:11.814
And I just wanted to ask you talked about young people, for example, engaging them. And that sounds really important.
447 "12271900" (620406784)
01:44:12.234 --> 01:44:21.144
But also, because the impact of new technologies seems to be disproportionately affecting women in a negative way.
448 "12271900" (620406784)
01:44:21.179 --> 01:44:30.119
I was just wondering if you had any particular plans to engage women and make sure that women's voices around the table in your consultation. Thank you.
449 "12271900" (620406784)
01:44:36.539 --> 01:44:41.249
Should I go.
450 "12271900" (620406784)
01:44:42.324 --> 01:44:54.564
Thank you. So, that's a fundamental importance. And recently at the, we launched a new definition of digital inclusion in partnership with you and women.
451 "12271900" (620406784)
01:44:55.104 --> 01:45:06.984
I think 1st, step in many of these issues is recognizing the extent of the problem and finding ways to measure how what how we are doing.
452 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:07.824 --> 01:45:11.154
So, this, we, uh, did recently with, you.
453 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:11.249 --> 01:45:20.159
Women with Canada with Mexico and other partners from academia and the private sector. Uh, so, uh, uh.
454 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:25.169
On the youth side, uh, I'm working with the.
455 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:25.169 --> 01:45:39.444
And, uh, to ensure that we capture youth voices, uh, we have some ideas, some plans, as I said, depending on the resources, we kind of, uh, roll them out, uh, to, uh,
456 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:39.474 --> 01:45:40.344
do some.
457 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:41.759 --> 01:45:53.159
Regional outreach using digital means to have, uh, students from schools and from universities. Uh, um.
458 "12271900" (620406784)
01:45:53.574 --> 01:46:01.434
Do reflections on, give inputs specific inputs into the, uh, process.
459 "Wolfram von Heynitz" (3443519488)
01:46:01.464 --> 01:46:14.514
So, those are some of the ideas that are in planning that are missing at this stage. We are looking for partners.
460 "Wolfram von Heynitz" (3443519488)
01:46:14.514 --> 01:46:17.634
We are looking for several heavily focused on the desktop.
461 "UN_TECH_01" (2895198208)
01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:11.489
Hello.
462 "UN_TECH_01" (2895198208)
01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:19.799
1 moment please, I'll be reconnected in 10 seconds.
463 "UN_TECH_01" (2895198208)
01:47:19.799 --> 01:47:32.549
Okay.
464 "12271900" (1627039744)
01:47:32.549 --> 01:47:41.309
Um.
465 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:47:41.309 --> 01:47:45.869
Um, you can hear us.
466 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:47:45.869 --> 01:47:49.049
You have been removed from the meeting.
467 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:47:49.049 --> 01:47:52.979
This call will not give us much, but then they can removed from the meeting.
468 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:47:52.979 --> 01:48:03.209
Good, okay. Then let's if you can hear us and there is hopefully the echo is not that bad. Let's just take those questions.
469 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:48:03.209 --> 01:48:12.089
Type them into chat online. Yeah. Let's just try. 2nd I.
470 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:48:12.089 --> 01:48:20.999
Let's try, um, Joseph. No, please. Uh, go ahead.
471 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:48:22.944 --> 01:48:33.294
Joseph novel professor, the university was slow and secretary general of the basic Internet foundation. Uh, I'd like to address a library. Love your statement on.
472 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:48:33.594 --> 01:48:47.874
Everyone can use the Internet inclusively, but I still see that in Africa, South of Sahara, the cost of access are predominantly well doing something against it or to put it this way. Our.
473 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:48:49.679 --> 01:48:59.819
Uh, of 2020 isn't anywhere close in reach so, don't you think we need a paradigm shift when it comes to the access to the Internet?
474 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:48:59.819 --> 01:49:07.679
And perhaps think about the model of the road.
475 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:49:07.679 --> 01:49:15.929
Okay, thank you. Let's just take 3 and then, um, you can answer those 3. so the next person was, um, andriette.
476 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:49:15.929 --> 01:49:20.999
And thank you showing a time. Can you hear me.
477 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:49:22.764 --> 01:49:29.814
My Internet has been so bad, so apologies. I'm not putting my video on. Thanks. Very much. Um, deep and everyone this is unreal.
478 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:49:29.844 --> 01:49:38.573
It's still horizon association for progressive communications and past chair of the, and I want to hone in on your emphasis,
479 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:49:38.573 --> 01:49:51.804
which I'm very happy about on this idea of the Internet as a public infrastructure and as a kind of comments, you know, and I think what we've seen is increased understanding.
480 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:55.499
Acknowledgement of this being a.
481 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:49:55.734 --> 01:50:09.324
Important and valid way of looking, at the idea of the difficulty in how to deal with that on a day to day basis, considering the multi stakeholder nature of the Internet, the fact that it's a public infrastructure,
482 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:50:09.594 --> 01:50:19.644
but not owned and operated to control by the public sector, but by multiple different sectors and the digital corporation process,
483 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:50:19.644 --> 01:50:25.494
so far the thread on comments have looked at using the Internet as a platform.
484 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:50:25.499 --> 01:50:30.149
For creating a digital comments knowledge comments, for example.
485 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:50:30.149 --> 01:50:36.384
What's the GDC an opportunity for us to actually explore how we can agree on principles?
486 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:50:36.384 --> 01:50:50.064
So that we govern the Internet and ultimately also regulate it when it has to be regulated, which, which sometimes might be necessary sometimes not, but as a comments or a global public. Good.
487 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:50:50.304 --> 01:50:59.874
So, in other words, if this the opportunity for us to take that leap to not just look at the Internet as a way of building the comments but as a.
488 "Anriette Esterhuysen" (125358336)
01:51:00.149 --> 01:51:01.199
Itself.
489 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:51:05.009 --> 01:51:10.349
Thank you and yet the last person would be, uh, Jerry.
490 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:17.579
I can hear you. Can you hear me? Okay? Yes, we can.
491 "Gerry Ellis" (2831744256)
01:51:17.579 --> 01:51:26.369
Thank you I'm blind living in Ireland, and I'm with the dynamic coalition on accessibility and disability the IDF process.
492 "Gerry Ellis" (2831744256)
01:51:27.324 --> 01:51:33.444
And I'm basically wondering how can the compact and all the other processes, which were really sound very interesting.
493 "Gerry Ellis" (2831744256)
01:51:33.804 --> 01:51:48.474
But how can we ensure that people with disabilities are not excluded for instance, I was at the in 2003 and in 2005 and any number of meetings since then. And still, we find that meetings are inaccessible. I don't know if the sign language for this meeting.
494 "Gerry Ellis" (2831744256)
01:51:48.474 --> 01:51:56.364
We find that registration processes are inaccessible. We find that documentation is inaccessible. we find that documentation is inaccessible
495 "Gerry Ellis" (2831744256)
01:51:56.369 --> 01:52:09.419
And then the output frequently does not include our needs. So, how can we ensure that all the processes that we heard about today will be accessible to the White number of people with disabilities? Thank you.
496 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:52:10.529 --> 01:52:22.619
And if I may request, could Joseph repeat his question please because I only got the last part was the paradigm shift.
497 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:52:23.304 --> 01:52:25.104
Um, I'm sorry for that.
498 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:52:25.404 --> 01:52:32.454
Yes, my starting point was that when I look at the connectivity numbers in Africa of Sahara,
499 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:52:32.844 --> 01:52:41.994
we see that we are not anywhere close of an inclusive Internet access because the costs of access are basically hindering an uptake.
500 "Josef Noll" (1475321088)
01:52:42.269 --> 01:52:51.599
And so my, my question was, shouldn't we, uh, look at the paradigm shift like, applying the model of the road for the Internet.
501 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:52:54.744 --> 01:53:08.454
Thanks so, let me try and answer that, uh, and for the sake of everyone else, I mean, we made progress during the corporate so there's been a corporate boost to connectivity, but that's kind of tapering off.
502 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:53:08.844 --> 01:53:23.844
Uh, and, uh, if current rates continue, then, you know, we will not achieve, uh, a universal coverage by 2013 and in Asia. Uh, there is a gap, but clearly within Asia, there is a big. is a big
503 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:53:23.939 --> 01:53:34.014
Happen in Africa there is a kind of a larger gap in terms of connectivity. Overall. There is a rural urban gap. There is agenda divide.
504 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:53:34.494 --> 01:53:43.344
So connectivity remains a, he University connectivity remains a huge channel challenge. I would agree that we need a paradigm shift.
505 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:53:43.619 --> 01:53:50.544
We need a paradigm shift in the following ways. 1 is the more intelligent combination of technologies.
506 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:53:50.874 --> 01:54:03.294
You have the old copper, the current fiber, but you have new opportunities that are coming up uh, uh, satellites are opening up another opportunity, but the costs remain high.
507 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:54:03.834 --> 01:54:08.004
Uh, hopefully, they'll fall. Um, but how can we.
508 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:54:08.574 --> 01:54:22.974
Combine different technologies that are available, uh, today, uh, and get more community engagement, uh, uh, in in terms of the deployment of these technologies. The other challenge is finance.
509 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:54:24.294 --> 01:54:27.864
Which is where a lot of countries in Africa are struggling.
510 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:54:28.284 --> 01:54:43.194
Um, there is increasing attention being paid to investments into digital, in advanced economies, uh, the recovery funds, for instance, 180 to 4th, um, take Spain, for instance,
511 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:54:43.254 --> 01:54:52.674
are going into digital. Uh, but, uh, the, uh, this, this kind of stimulus remains limited to. stimulus remains limited to
512 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:54:53.519 --> 01:55:06.474
Countries, uh, in African countries, you have, uh, and in many Asian countries, in small island, developing states, you have a crisis today in which, uh, allocations needs to be made for food imports,
513 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:55:06.504 --> 01:55:11.454
need to be made to service debt because incomes fell during the pandemic.
514 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:55:11.759 --> 01:55:23.784
Uh, comment expenditure rows so you have a fiscal problem today so today their finances are not in a good shape and we really need the has called for an stimulus.
515 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:55:24.264 --> 01:55:38.094
We need the international financial institutions to step up so that, uh, uh, these countries can have some elbow room for these critical investments into, uh,
516 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:55:38.124 --> 01:55:41.754
the future the 3rd paradigm shift. We need.
517 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:55:41.759 --> 01:55:45.839
And, uh, he's around collaborations and.
518 "Pablo Ruidiaz" (1461268736)
01:55:45.839 --> 01:55:54.419
Yes, I'm not saying, can you send me a.
519 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:55:54.419 --> 01:55:58.709
Your microphone is on can you switch it off? Please.
520 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:56:02.759 --> 01:56:11.874
So I was saying collaborations, that's the 3rd important piece and, uh, colleagues from the ICU got us together in partner to connect.
521 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:56:12.264 --> 01:56:21.114
Uh, and we've been, um, working with, in, follow up to, uh, an important section of the 2019 report of the high level panel on digital cooperation.
522 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:56:21.114 --> 01:56:32.484
We've been working with, uh, UNICEF and and others on the Connect initiative, which is about school connectivity. So these are kind of. are kind of
523 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:56:32.759 --> 01:56:47.124
Come up initiatives, where you try and stimulate demand and aggregate demand now W, why is this important because you you need the top down supplies side solutions uh,
524 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:56:47.454 --> 01:56:55.074
the, um, uh, but this needs to be complimented by, uh, the bottom up demand type of solutions.
525 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:56:55.374 --> 01:57:02.694
Um, you know, even those with limited resources, when they see the critical need, critical importance of.
526 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:57:03.024 --> 01:57:15.654
Digital for accessing healthcare education, et cetera, they will find the resources. Uh, and as costs come down, you know, that demand at the bottom of the pyramid if it's aggregated.
527 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:57:15.654 --> 01:57:26.214
Well, it becomes a very important pull on investments into connectivity. So those are the 3 aspects of this paradigm shift in, in my view.
528 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:57:26.214 --> 01:57:32.634
But this is a critical challenge that Joseph has highlighted on unread at this point about.
529 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:57:33.029 --> 01:57:39.719
I can only say, yes to that that, uh, the global digital contact is.
530 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:57:39.719 --> 01:57:51.149
The opportunity, it's a critical opportunity to put down those principles and that move us in the direction of.
531 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:57:51.149 --> 01:58:05.274
A Commons view uh, so, um, it is not only about building the Commons, but it's about having this comments, this Commons framework, uh,
532 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:05.304 --> 01:58:19.764
for governance also for leveraging digital technologies for making progress on the, uh, and it fits in with the rest of the vision in, uh, the, uh, common, um,
533 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:19.854 --> 01:58:20.454
agenda.
534 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:21.174 --> 01:58:26.394
Now, this is at the level of principles, a little abstract perhaps,
535 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:26.424 --> 01:58:39.774
but I think we should all put our minds together and our resources together to come up with some concrete examples of how this Commons approach were both on the challenge side on the governance side.
536 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:40.194 --> 01:58:50.544
And also on the, uh, opportunity side. So, for instance, on the opportunity side, can we, as recommended in the 2019 report? and nineteen report
537 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:51.149 --> 01:58:57.714
Building a digital common architecture where data and had treated as a resource for public. Good.
538 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:58:58.464 --> 01:59:10.554
Uh, so, in some spaces, whether it's public health, pandemic preparedness and response disaster, resilience, uh, the green transition building, a circular economy,
539 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:59:10.884 --> 01:59:20.724
I think it makes sense for us to create these spaces where data is pulled together. Human capacity comes together, benchmarks and governance standards.
540 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:59:21.149 --> 01:59:26.849
Together in, um, in a collaborative way so that you really have a common space.
541 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:59:26.849 --> 01:59:40.259
So, this will help us concretized this vision of the Internet as public infrastructure Internet as global comments. This also has a political.
542 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:59:40.259 --> 01:59:53.634
Uh, utility in the sense of, uh, fragmentation of approaches to the, to Internet governance, uh, uh, dealing with content, uh, dealing with data, protection, et cetera. Yes.
543 "12271900" (3774523392)
01:59:53.634 --> 02:00:06.504
There will be regional national particularity for political, cultural economic reasons, but we need to maintain that, um, that universal character of the, uh,
544 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:00:06.534 --> 02:00:10.194
the Internet for a variety of reasons. And finally.
545 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:00:10.259 --> 02:00:19.914
Uh, jerry's important question on how do we make sure that, uh, disability does not come in the way of engagement.
546 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:00:20.484 --> 02:00:31.314
Uh, so, uh, um, this is critical advice and that, uh, Jerry, you are offering at this stage. Uh, I've not had the time.
547 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:00:31.619 --> 02:00:38.154
Uh, yet to look into the details, but I promise that, you know, will come back on this.
548 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:00:38.754 --> 02:00:49.104
I did have a conversation on some of the tech solutions that are available today and frankly, I came away from that conversation a little confused.
549 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:00:49.524 --> 02:01:01.524
Uh, because, um, uh, people with disabilities are still not convinced that some of those tech solutions that, uh, you start you started seeing in the private sector, are.
550 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:01:01.619 --> 02:01:15.984
Um, uh, really helpful so help me gain if you can, if, you know, you can plug us into networks who can give us some concrete ideas, concrete guidance on how do we make sure uh,
551 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:01:15.984 --> 02:01:30.264
that firstly, the inputs are there and, uh, we bring together some, uh, some resources at our end to gather those inputs to make them, uh, uh,
552 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:01:31.224 --> 02:01:31.524
you know.
553 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:01:31.619 --> 02:01:35.279
To have them taken into account, make them.
554 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:49.824
Heard, and then also the other aspect of making sure that participation access issues are sorted out from registration to actual speaking intervention, uh, opportunities.
555 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:01:50.819 --> 02:02:01.739
All right, thank you very much for responses. Uh, the next 3 is, uh, uh, Christina, Rita, Brandon Sullivan, and then Chris package.
556 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:01.739 --> 02:02:06.389
So, Christine, you have the phone Thank you. Can you hear me.
557 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:02:09.179 --> 02:02:13.824
Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. Thank you.
558 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:14.304 --> 02:02:28.524
So, 1st, time I would like to thank her ambassador Gill for, for coming to this town hall, and we're exchanging this information with the community and I'm Christina.
559 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:29.994 --> 02:02:39.174
I'm from the government of Egypt. I worked for the national Telecom regulatory authority, and I represent the government of Egypt on the magazine as a previous.
560 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:39.179 --> 02:02:42.089
The host of the, um.
561 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:42.089 --> 02:02:46.434
So, my 1st, question is about ambassador,
562 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:46.464 --> 02:02:58.074
you mentioned the national and regional and their importance and my question would be in respect to the consultations that will be taking place over the coming months.
563 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:02:58.944 --> 02:03:12.024
How is it foreseen to connect the different regional consultations that will happen with the work that's actually happening at grassroots level within the national and regional because, as you rightly mentioned, there's.
564 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:03:12.089 --> 02:03:24.054
A lot of knowledge, and a lot of dialogue that's happening and that has been happening on that front. And I think it would be a pity not to channel that within the consultation process that is happening.
565 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:03:25.254 --> 02:03:37.104
The other point is about the key thematic issues that are mentioned, I mean, in Egypt, we do welcome the consultation process that is taking place and the,
566 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:03:37.104 --> 02:03:42.084
the chance to actually put in some knowledge there, I think, and we also.
567 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:03:42.089 --> 02:03:55.224
We also welcome the issue of connectivity, which is a very important thing. I think we just need to also, as we look at this paradigm shift, look more at meaningful access, not just access. That's 1, very important issue.
568 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:03:55.224 --> 02:04:08.574
But also, I think it's very important to focus within the policy points on the issue of development within all different key issues.
569 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:04:08.574 --> 02:04:11.604
Not only within access development should remain.
570 "Christine Arida" (1413086464)
02:04:12.089 --> 02:04:19.889
Front of or a cross cutting issue within all the different 7 key issues. Thank you. Very much.
571 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:04:24.749 --> 02:04:28.199
Brendan.
572 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:04:28.199 --> 02:04:32.759
Thank you so much just checking if you all can hear me clearly.
573 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:04:33.294 --> 02:04:47.754
Excellent so hello morning afternoon wherever you are sitting right now, my name is Brandon solvent. I'm with convenience of the Caribbean, but I'm actually currently sat here in Boston, Massachusetts just a quick question to everyone in the room.
574 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:04:47.754 --> 02:04:51.294
But especially you Gil also. Great to see you. Again.
575 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:04:51.869 --> 02:05:04.764
Had a chat in New York speaking to this idea of connecting high level conversations with more grassroots conversations. I, you know, in sort of hearing everyone's thoughts on the matter.
576 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:05:04.794 --> 02:05:18.534
I got to thinking about how we could or the possibilities that exist for, um, connecting epistemic communities. That being academia, and also those dealt and knowledge creation online.
577 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:05:18.564 --> 02:05:21.804
You know, I sit in, um, capacity.
578 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:05:21.869 --> 02:05:36.414
Affords me access to and proximity to people on platforms like Wikipedia, and we can media Commons writ large and epistemic communities of course, Massachusetts, and other places are known for sort of brain trust.
579 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:05:36.474 --> 02:05:50.394
Um, but those voices aren't oftentimes sat within these kinds of rooms and, you know, in my mind, I'm sort of trying to think through the ways in which we could have these kinds of conversations, um,
580 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:05:50.394 --> 02:05:51.774
being built into.
581 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:05:51.869 --> 02:06:03.714
This development of the and forward engagement, what are the channels that we can take advantage of in terms of, you know, building in and dialing in or collaboration? And that's that.
582 "Brandon Sullivan" (1051752960)
02:06:03.714 --> 02:06:15.894
And, you know, um, you know, some, some, sort of, um, you know, path and process would be greatly appreciated. And, of course, we'd love to know more about what those opportunities look like. So, uh, thank you so much.
583 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:06:18.449 --> 02:06:24.449
Thank you Chris. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. Time. Um.
584 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:06:24.449 --> 02:06:38.849
Thank you ambassador goal for this this session. I think it's been really useful. Um, I work for wrap in CC 1 of the regional Internet registries um, also on the IDF mag, um, in the technical community stakeholder group.
585 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:06:38.849 --> 02:06:53.129
Oh, I think well, from sort of beginning of wishes from the genus agenda, we've had that strong commitment to an endorsement of a multi stakeholder approach to Internet governance at the U. N level. Um.
586 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:06:53.129 --> 02:07:03.329
But I think what I've seen, what I think we've all seen in recent years is, as the challenges have become more urgent or difficult more of complex.
587 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:07:03.329 --> 02:07:16.079
Finding true multi stakeholder governance solutions has proven very difficult, particularly developing new multi stakeholder models and processes. Um, so it.
588 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:07:16.079 --> 02:07:23.489
I'm asking a very broad question here. I realize, but I'd be really interested in your reflections on your role in terms of.
589 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:07:23.489 --> 02:07:31.139
Helping to facilitate the development of that multi stakeholder approach and maybe your, your views on the sort of.
590 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:07:31.434 --> 02:07:44.064
Health of that commitment to multi stakeholder approach in the U N. system because I think that we've seen some concerns. I've had some concerns of that and of that commitment that everyone has had there.
591 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:07:44.064 --> 02:07:46.464
So we'd be really interested to hear your views on that.
592 "Chris Buckridge" (1713921280)
02:07:46.799 --> 02:07:51.869
Thank you.
593 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:07:51.869 --> 02:07:56.579
Thank you and let me start with the last question.
594 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:07:56.579 --> 02:08:00.539
Uh, from, uh, from Chris, uh, so.
595 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:08:00.539 --> 02:08:07.884
I have no hesitation in saying that that commitment to multi stakeholder approach is very, very strong.
596 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:08:08.514 --> 02:08:22.464
Uh, in fact, when the spoke to the general assembly, uh, he made it clear that, uh, either we get to the GDC through a multi stakeholder process, or we don't, uh.
597 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:08:23.214 --> 02:08:38.214
At all, so it was very, very clear very strong statement made in New York and, uh, we are upholding that commitment through these consultation, for instance, many others,
598 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:08:38.694 --> 02:08:52.674
uh, through the strong engagement, uh, with the not just, uh, uh, the, but also other forums I can in terms of our work on the Spiller. I'm convinced that.
599 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:08:52.769 --> 02:09:07.554
Across the priority areas of health, agriculture, food security, the green transition, humanitarian emergency and education we need to have that multi stakeholder approach, uh, to design and to,
600 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:09:07.854 --> 02:09:22.704
uh, implement, uh, some work we started on design principles for taking digital into some of these development domains. Again. Uh, that's being done, uh, through multi stakeholder.
601 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:09:24.174 --> 02:09:37.194
Um, participation, so having led the multi stakeholder initiative past 3 years in Geneva, I know how critical that is. It's not just a slogan for me. It has lived experience.
602 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:09:38.004 --> 02:09:40.674
Now, your question about how can we.
603 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:09:41.219 --> 02:09:47.484
Uh, kind of go beyond the, um, the ritual, uh,
604 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:09:47.514 --> 02:10:01.344
or basins to multi stakeholder approaches and how can we address this thing that is either or either it's incremental multilateralism or it is multi stakeholder, um, approaches,
605 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:01.344 --> 02:10:11.034
which end up being consultative, uh, interesting discussions. But what's the pathway to implementation? We struggle there and frankly.
606 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:11.219 --> 02:10:19.104
1 has really cracked it, but some recent experiences are are useful. There was a cybercrime discussion.
607 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:19.494 --> 02:10:33.414
Uh, where are you managed to get about 200+participants from, um, non governmental regions who managed to have some say, a partner to connect in, um, uh, that, uh,
608 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:33.714 --> 02:10:36.504
you know, again. you know again
609 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:37.104 --> 02:10:42.594
You you had some, uh, some interesting and positive experiences.
610 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:42.894 --> 02:10:56.694
So let's give ourselves the challenge that, as we go towards the global digital combat can be, uh, do better, uh, and also can be in terms of the implementation of what's put out as those principles.
611 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:10:56.964 --> 02:11:06.504
Can we find ways to to kind of, you know, um, open up some parts like the.
612 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:11:06.839 --> 02:11:13.499
Community is very good at doing independent research and analysis. So can we bring some of that?
613 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:11:13.499 --> 02:11:26.694
Uh, evidence, generation, uh, to those regular discussions, uh, civil society. Very good at keeping us honest, reflecting some of the concerns on the ground.
614 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:11:26.694 --> 02:11:36.444
So, can we do that in ways that, uh, uh, kind of help us make those, uh, larger political policy assessments around focus.
615 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:11:36.779 --> 02:11:48.209
Then Brandon's point about Brendan it's good to see you about connecting these knowledge communities together, which channels.
616 "Tony" (3543530752)
02:11:48.209 --> 02:11:53.669
Asking you to talk for health uh.
617 "Tony" (3543530752)
02:11:53.669 --> 02:11:59.609
Except for, in terms of, you know, public spending, are we looking at austerity?
618 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:11:59.609 --> 02:12:04.349
Yeah, I think that's.
619 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:12:04.884 --> 02:12:19.884
Yeah, um, so isn't the IDF community itself 1 of those channels for different knowledge communities to come together? Um, so help me there, Brandon and others in the room.
620 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:12:20.304 --> 02:12:28.884
Uh, because, um, this is more than an academic problem. It's, uh, it's a practical issue. Um.
621 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:12:31.014 --> 02:12:43.284
And then we have to think about our capacity to manage these channels, I think, in the GDC context, you know, I've told you about a few of the New York channels in which knowledge will be constructed.
622 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:12:43.854 --> 02:12:50.904
Um, and then, you know, there are these regional, uh, and goes back to christina's point national regional.
623 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:12:50.904 --> 02:13:00.534
I just again, you know, Christina helped me there like, don't only ask me what we can do, but also ask yourself what you can do how can the.
624 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:13:00.954 --> 02:13:13.794
Regional, um, now that, you know, the themes, the ideas, you know, the candy, like we are doing with the agenda is aligned around some of these upcoming milestones.
625 "12271900" (3774523392)
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So can we use the opportunity to get together?
626 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:13:18.054 --> 02:13:30.684
Let's say the youth women, disabled people whose voices are not generally heard, organize them together and come up with very, very. I mean, you have the framework.
627 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:13:30.689 --> 02:13:45.384
In the public call for inputs, but go ahead. You know, if you want to adapt it, you want to keep it very simple. You know what is it that you want to see? What? Is it that you don't want to see in terms of the digital future and how do you want to get there? You know.
628 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:13:45.719 --> 02:13:59.249
What's the, what's the way in terms of whether it's governance or collaboration uh, or, you know, what kind of Commons pieces you want to see so, keep it simple and let's make sure that, um.
629 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:00.414 --> 02:14:10.944
We bring all these diverse voices together and yes development is cross cutting area. Uh, totally agree. I think for us in the office, there are 2 cross cutting themes.
630 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:11.394 --> 02:14:19.674
1 is of human rights and the other 1 is of sustainable development. So anything that we do.
631 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:20.039 --> 02:14:32.459
Or, uh, uh, we partner on, we would look at, um, these 2 guiding, uh, sets of, uh, values, uh, for inspiration for practical.
632 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:32.459 --> 02:14:42.239
Guidance, uh, thank you very much for those answers. Um, now we go to this room. I think we have Canada.
633 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:42.239 --> 02:14:46.979
And then Switzerland and Adam.
634 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:46.979 --> 02:14:53.129
And then online, so we take for this time online we will have, um.
635 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:57.269
Let me sorry. Um.
636 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:14:57.269 --> 02:15:00.449
Uh.
637 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:00.449 --> 02:15:03.569
Naturally, thank you.
638 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:05.664 --> 02:15:13.494
Okay, thank you very much for giving me the floor. I won't take a lot of time, because I believe we get lots of opportunity to speak to the tech envoy and 1st of all.
639 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:13.494 --> 02:15:27.594
I just wanted to thank investigate for taking some time this afternoon to meet a keen mission with a number of embassy colleagues. I just wanted to pick up on a couple of points. But I think, um, from a member state perspective, I think there's still some areas.
640 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:27.594 --> 02:15:33.264
I think we speak for Canada in this case, um, continue to look for clarity. And I know I've been trying to.
641 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:33.569 --> 02:15:41.574
Facing your, um, tracing your your work, since you've arrived clarity on the GDC process and the modalities.
642 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:41.574 --> 02:15:53.214
I know we are working towards that remains, um, I think an issue for member states appreciating, and, as my colleague said, last week that effective multilateralism relies on effective, multi stakeholder ISM.
643 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:15:53.874 --> 02:16:03.564
But at the end of the day, and I think you've articulated, this will be a political declaration signed by member states. So I can only merely reinforce that. I think we're looking for as much clarity as at the earliest.
644 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:16:03.569 --> 02:16:09.984
Possible convenience on some of these key issues and I think this reflected a conversation we had on the way over,
645 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:16:09.984 --> 02:16:23.694
which is I know that the PGA has announced the summit of the future and we have Co facilitators and I believe there will be modalities for the summit itself, but I think we do need to pay attention that the digital ecosystem is quite unique.
646 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:16:24.029 --> 02:16:36.869
And whether we do need to look at specific modalities, um, for the GDC itself, I don't have a position on this issue but I think it is 1 that we should be looking at cautiously and carefully.
647 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:16:37.224 --> 02:16:49.314
So, I guess the 1 question I wanted to put to you, it's a bit of a loaded question, because we just finished talking about this, but I would be interested in your views about what is the relationship between the eventual and the +20 process?
648 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:16:49.314 --> 02:17:01.464
1, this isn't the tech end by itself and the GDC, and the summit are both new pieces on the chest board that didn't exist. When was this was created 22 almost 20 years ago.
649 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:01.464 --> 02:17:06.804
What do you see as sort of the future of these 2 things as this. as this
650 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:06.869 --> 02:17:10.439
Have come together almost, uh, around the same moment.
651 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:10.439 --> 02:17:13.829
Thank you.
652 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:16.224 --> 02:17:24.714
Let me call, uh, with Ian faith from United States, based in Switzerland. My question. Uh, thank you very much. 1st of all ambassador.
653 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:24.864 --> 02:17:35.304
I really loved very much for presentation and, um, it gives a clear idea about the lines along this global Ligit, uh, competition it's developed.
654 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:35.724 --> 02:17:44.814
Um, I was wondering, um, about the role of and religious actors in this consultation process along the 2 lines.
655 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:17:45.444 --> 02:18:00.414
Digital transformation to sustain the, and I'm thinking that religious actors were all being on the ground doing already, this kind of kind of work, but also from, um, invest investment point of view.
656 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:18:00.414 --> 02:18:14.334
Because we are very active and everything. It's, uh, impact, investing and investing in local communities. And in regard, of course, with the challenges, uh, the governance pillar with, um, AI.
657 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:18:14.879 --> 02:18:25.499
Ethics values and human rights how do you consider to integrate the voice of his faith based actors in this consultation process? Thank you.
658 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:18:26.849 --> 02:18:30.899
Adam, Adam.
659 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:18:32.489 --> 02:18:41.909
Hello, Adam peak I work for icon, but I'm here today is speaking as a Mac member from the technical community. Um.
660 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:18:42.984 --> 02:18:47.694
Ambassador Gill, thank you for holding the consultation and your question who is cracked it?
661 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:18:48.024 --> 02:19:00.504
I think the answer is perhaps with us, I remember sitting in a actually not sitting in a room sitting in the corridors for 5 days outside of meeting room where the 1st meetings preparing meetings for wisdom were held in 2003,
662 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:19:00.504 --> 02:19:11.904
and we sat outside of the room waiting for a decision about whether we would participate by the end of that process in we, as non governmental actors have been given access to. given access to
663 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:19:11.909 --> 02:19:25.404
The floor to speak to the chair to have our documentation as a full part of the record. And I think we've seen some steps back from that full level of participation, multi stakeholder participation since then.
664 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:19:25.764 --> 02:19:36.474
But I think it's an excellent example that at the end of the day, while, of course, governments had the priority in the room, the heads of states were signing off on those documents and responsible for those documents.
665 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:19:36.744 --> 02:19:41.274
Those documents did have the full multi stakeholder.
666 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:19:42.264 --> 02:19:54.594
Consultation behind them, which goes to the point that the representative of candidate has made that effective multilateralism depends on multi stakeholders, I think. And so we do have that connection.
667 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:19:54.594 --> 02:20:07.374
And I hope we can learn from Wisconsin, perhaps return to some of those modalities that we achieved in. Um, but I did want to ask specifically as a member of the tech community.
668 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:20:07.944 --> 02:20:11.724
How do you see us being involved in the consultations and preparations for.
669 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:20:12.174 --> 02:20:26.004
Summit for the future of the future and the GDC we as a group operate and function on a global multi stakeholder basis and our processes are multi stakeholder, global and inclusive.
670 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:20:26.244 --> 02:20:29.214
You've mentioned some regional consultations we could of course.
671 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:20:29.394 --> 02:20:41.664
And Michelle, I hope participate in those as we function across regions but I wonder if there's any particular role that you see for technical community in this in these consultations.
672 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:20:41.909 --> 02:20:45.119
And our global remit for these resources, thank you.
673 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:20:46.854 --> 02:20:52.194
Mia Petra? Yes. Hello.
674 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:20:52.884 --> 02:21:07.254
My name is me up at a complementary and I'm speaking as the head of delegation from the European parliament as a member of parliament, taking part in, for becoming months, or after a month or so.
675 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:07.494 --> 02:21:14.844
So, I will squeeze my question to very short as there has been good debate and I also need to leave the meeting in.
676 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:15.119 --> 02:21:27.804
Time, so, uh, the greeting is that we are working here daily on the U s values and principles also with the legislation and I think the G D c's are very,
677 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:27.804 --> 02:21:33.714
very important or is a very good, uh, opportunity to update all the U. N.
678 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:33.714 --> 02:21:44.754
values and principles for the, uh, time of the digitalization and namely on the online life as as the States and and people, uh.
679 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:45.119 --> 02:21:48.269
It was named here the women and girls.
680 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:48.269 --> 02:21:53.849
So everyone can, uh, have the, the principals respected also online life.
681 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:53.849 --> 02:21:57.059
But then my question for the new tech and.
682 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:21:57.059 --> 02:22:00.989
Would be that what is your wish for the, uh, parliamentary.
683 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:22:00.989 --> 02:22:06.029
Participants for the and in general.
684 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:22:06.029 --> 02:22:20.759
Uh, cause I think that it is important also that they feel, uh, importance of the, in, in, uh, this multi stakeholder basis for the Internet but then also putting these things in action.
685 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:22:20.759 --> 02:22:23.909
Sometimes also requires legislation.
686 "Miapetra Kumpula-Natri" (4031156224)
02:22:25.139 --> 02:22:38.189
And thank you for organizing this, thank you very much again. Very thoughtful interventions.
687 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:22:38.189 --> 02:22:43.259
The the point made by Canada.
688 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:22:43.259 --> 02:22:56.604
About the need for clarity on the global, digital compact. Uh, so this is a process that is just about to start and I have to be careful here as the secretariat.
689 "12271900" (3774523392)
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This is a process that the member states, uh, own after all, it's, uh, summit of heads of state heads of government.
690 "12271900" (3774523392)
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Uh, and, uh, they will be a process that, uh, uh, the PGA, uh, will.
691 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:23:13.589 --> 02:23:21.509
Uh, steer on behalf of all member states, and that the secretary will support. Uh, so, uh, some.
692 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:23:21.509 --> 02:23:30.989
Aspects of that process are clear today. They have been mentioned in the resolution of 8, September in a generic way.
693 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:23:30.989 --> 02:23:41.724
But then some specific aspects, David, you know, at, uh, at a personal level, as I'm on the back end agree with you, that the digital ecosystem is unique,
694 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:23:41.874 --> 02:23:56.394
that you need to perhaps come out with some specific modalities. But this is a decision that, uh, the appropriate forum, the appropriate process needs to, uh, to take, uh.
695 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:23:56.819 --> 02:24:01.739
As I said, the secular journals emphasized the specificity.
696 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:24:02.304 --> 02:24:13.944
Uh, and we'll continue to do, so we'll continue to support member states in ensuring that the digital track is is handled in,
697 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:24:14.304 --> 02:24:22.944
in the manner that all our previous experiences and Adam, you pointed out the business experience.
698 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:24:22.974 --> 02:24:31.644
I've heard this in New York that the business students formula is a good 1 for multi stakeholder participation. You know, you.
699 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:24:31.739 --> 02:24:45.924
That formulation within our respective mandates and authorities, uh, I don't have the exact wording before me, but for some, that formula doesn't go far enough others it goes too far.
700 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:24:45.924 --> 02:24:59.934
So let's see where we end up with that's 1 of those good examples to look at. I mentioned 2 recent, um, experiences, other experiences, relatively positive, the cybercrime discussion in the ICU discussion.
701 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:00.234 --> 02:25:01.734
So, maybe we can come up with.
702 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:01.739 --> 02:25:12.209
The sweet, generous formula that satisfies David Adam and everyone else uh, on on this, uh.
703 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:12.209 --> 02:25:24.299
Aspect to the, the relationship with versus +20. Uh, again, I want to be very careful about another process that's been.
704 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:24.299 --> 02:25:31.884
Decided approved by member states that has its own dynamics, its own history, a very, very important history.
705 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:32.184 --> 02:25:41.064
And tomorrow, in fact, I'll be with colleagues that are tagged and the which has had a role in that process.
706 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:41.064 --> 02:25:54.204
There are these important action lines, and I think on the development agenda that was emphasized by our colleague from Egypt again, this has certain strengths that we need.
707 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:25:54.299 --> 02:26:08.519
To, uh, to preserve and take into the future. Now, the, the member states are are sovereign the leaders as the representative, some member states will discuss, um.
708 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:26:08.519 --> 02:26:15.899
What shape or form? The GDC takes what? Shape or form the processes in the future around this.
709 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:26:15.899 --> 02:26:25.194
Uh, take I gave you a little bit of a flavor of, uh, the history, the context of this, uh, this more recent discussion.
710 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:26:25.554 --> 02:26:37.794
Uh, so without losing sight of the, uh, the experience of the past, how can we make sure that these different processes are aligned together?
711 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:26:37.794 --> 02:26:44.484
So we built synergy across these different tracks. Uh, and we do not have repetitive.
712 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:26:44.759 --> 02:26:52.979
Discussions so those are, uh, important considerations over the next couple of years. Um.
713 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:26:54.354 --> 02:27:08.094
Adam, you asked about, how do you see the role of the tech community? I've had a very good discussion with the icon team, so I'm very familiar with the strengths of the tech community.
714 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:08.604 --> 02:27:14.424
I think the tech community needs to bring forth.
715 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:14.669 --> 02:27:17.909
Uh, it's understanding of how.
716 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:17.909 --> 02:27:20.969
We are doing with the current.
717 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:21.174 --> 02:27:31.944
Architecture and the protocols around the Internet, how emerging technologies are having, uh, an impact uh, some of it is hype.
718 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:31.974 --> 02:27:43.134
Others is getting closer to reality, um, uh, you know, Web 3.0, the intelligent networks of tomorrow. So, uh, we need a nuanced. a nuanced
719 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:43.439 --> 02:27:50.639
But accessible reflection from the tech community for the policy level.
720 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:27:50.639 --> 02:28:00.779
Uh, that, you know, heads of state and heads of government ministers can wrap their minds around. This is how we've been used to thinking about the Internet.
721 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:28:00.779 --> 02:28:09.149
Most of this is likely to end, but there are some aspects that will change. Uh, for instance, um, uh, the.
722 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:28:09.149 --> 02:28:12.359
The aspect of security.
723 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:28:12.359 --> 02:28:27.294
Uh, today you have more and more companies and countries interested in, uh, security by hardware design so that you overcome some of the problems with the current generation of, in, uh, of networks.
724 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:28:27.594 --> 02:28:42.264
So these are some of the issues that the tech community needs to kind of, reflect on over the next 1 year and, uh, these are my thoughts maybe that you, you and your colleagues can get together and come up with other areas where they.
725 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:28:42.359 --> 02:28:53.454
Inputs would be, uh, helpful would be useful and then 2 other very important stakeholders were mentioned faith, based organizations and parliamentarians.
726 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:28:53.724 --> 02:29:00.984
I agree entirely with the distinguished, uh, that, uh, uh, we need to, uh,
727 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:01.014 --> 02:29:12.354
build capacity among parliamentarians to think in an advanced manner about digital governance about regulation, uh, the tools.
728 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:12.359 --> 02:29:23.814
That we are used to, from the 20th century 19th century when they are insufficient, uh, they do not have a, not adequate to address the challenges we face today.
729 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:23.814 --> 02:29:28.674
So how do we look at competition policy and consumer protection together in a new way?
730 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:28.674 --> 02:29:42.294
So these are reflections that parliamentarians would have to have some parliaments already have those, you know, there are bills under discussion, um, in the European context, and the Brazilian context Indian context. indian context
731 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:42.804 --> 02:29:52.374
Many other parliaments are having those discussions. Parliamentary research services are are putting more human resources into this.
732 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:52.764 --> 02:29:58.373
Uh, our colleagues at the have several initiatives related to digital.
733 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:29:59.484 --> 02:30:14.484
We will try and engage within our limits and our resources with some of these initiatives and make sure I've met a number of MPs myself and those meetings will will
734 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:30:14.484 --> 02:30:16.284
constantly make sure that how.
735 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:30:17.639 --> 02:30:30.084
The the parliamentary perspective, the legislative perspective is reflected in the GDC in a good way, uh, on faith, based organizations, uh, the ethics dimension.
736 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:30:30.174 --> 02:30:33.264
Um, that's very, very important.
737 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:30:33.744 --> 02:30:47.514
Uh, in fact, um, uh, I cannot name names, but we have some visits planned, uh, with the, uh, with senior leaders from faith based organizations. Uh, there have been.
738 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:50.039
Very, very important reflections.
739 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:30:50.039 --> 02:31:04.494
Uh, made for instance, uh, uh, in the Vatican context, uh, in the context of, uh, other leaders, uh, Buddhist, uh, Hindu, uh, Islamic, uh, leaders, uh,
740 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:31:04.494 --> 02:31:15.264
there are, there are advantages in, uh, drilling down to the bedrock of human values and placing the, uh,
741 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:31:15.834 --> 02:31:19.974
in in those foundations and faith based organization.
742 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:31:20.039 --> 02:31:24.899
Can help us drill down to those shared human.
743 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:31:24.899 --> 02:31:28.769
Values thanks.
744 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:31:28.769 --> 02:31:35.909
Ah, thank you. Uh, we only have 2 for the next round, and if somebody wants to. Okay. Uh.
745 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:31:35.909 --> 02:31:43.169
So, we have, uh, Ross, uh, Giles back and.
746 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:31:43.169 --> 02:31:50.159
Great.
747 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:31:55.824 --> 02:32:07.914
Hello can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. My name's Ross. Kenny Burj. I'm an international policy advisor from the UK department for digital culture, media, and support.
748 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:32:08.184 --> 02:32:20.004
I'm tuning in from Heathrow airport all my way to Geneva. So apologies for any background noise. Um, just to say that your emphasis on the national and regional initiatives is very.
749 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:32:20.994 --> 02:32:27.384
And to reiterate comments from others, on this call, we see the multi stakeholder model as key.
750 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:32:27.654 --> 02:32:40.704
And it is important that the global digital compact is developed, formulated and delivered through such an approach, welcoming views from across communities, given the broad agreement of the compact and following on. From that point.
751 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:32:41.154 --> 02:32:49.734
I wanted to ask how you and your team came to avoid duplication with other related UN, digital initiatives. Thanks very much. And thanks again for organizing this.
752 "Roz KennyBirch" (1515591424)
02:32:50.159 --> 02:32:52.979
Helpful session.
753 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:32:55.859 --> 02:33:07.259
Uh, thank you. Do you see me.
754 "Gilles Bach" (1757480960)
02:33:07.259 --> 02:33:14.754
Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Okay. Yeah. Good afternoon. And thank you very much for this exchange today.
755 "Gilles Bach" (1757480960)
02:33:15.174 --> 02:33:28.044
I am Shilpa and I am a teaching cyber dot net and we are an engineer based in Geneva, specializing, in ethics, in China, and in higher education in particular.
756 "Gilles Bach" (1757480960)
02:33:28.074 --> 02:33:37.074
And therefore, my question would be how is currently the higher education sector engaged in this overall process. And as well.
757 "Gilles Bach" (1757480960)
02:33:37.259 --> 02:33:44.184
Extend my question, I'm following the comments on the, uh, connections with the tech community.
758 "Gilles Bach" (1757480960)
02:33:44.514 --> 02:33:57.594
How are the big tech um, multi national corporations directly as well engaged and involved in this overall process? Thank you very much.
759 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:00.540 --> 02:34:03.540
Thank you. And next.
760 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:03.540 --> 02:34:16.500
That's sorry. Um, and I have mine from the 1 goal initiative. It aims to cover some risks that are not covered by the.
761 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:16.500 --> 02:34:28.020
Now, you mentioned, um, the importance of not multiplying effort in a redundant manner.
762 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:28.975 --> 02:34:40.705
I have this year at the, with this, I've, um, conducted a workshop on consolidation and that has, uh, this very, uh, goal.
763 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:41.485 --> 02:34:49.855
And, um, I was gonna ask if you have any efforts going on in the same direction.
764 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:50.670 --> 02:34:54.720
And the, uh, um.
765 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:54.720 --> 02:34:58.200
Conceptual thinking requirement, uh.
766 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:34:58.200 --> 02:35:13.020
In order to be able to achieve that and, and to also, uh, actually, uh, find the, um, the problem that we need to solve in in a, in a global view. Um.
767 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:35:13.020 --> 02:35:19.260
How may I explain that a, when we are talking about any subject, uh.
768 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:35:19.705 --> 02:35:28.345
Immediately we want to have, you know, concrete, uh, issues and concrete examples to deal with in doing.
769 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:35:28.345 --> 02:35:42.895
So, in proceeding that, in that manner, uh, we lose sight of the entirety of the system and that can that can, um, mislead us over time, uh,
770 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:35:42.895 --> 02:35:43.765
in in a.
771 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:35:44.370 --> 02:35:54.540
In a slightly wrong direction, and I wanted to also, uh, underline the importance of, um, bringing forth a, uh.
772 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:35:55.255 --> 02:36:10.225
A process of requiring disclosures, um, really deep disclosures about, uh, affiliations, um, a, um, also, um.
773 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:36:10.855 --> 02:36:16.495
Allegiances projects and investments, uh, dependencies, that kind of stuff.
774 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:36:16.525 --> 02:36:31.435
Uh, so that when we are in a discussion, we can, uh, in real time, you know, in the discussion, when somebody says something we can immediately, uh, know, or look up what, uh, this person brings,
775 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:36:31.585 --> 02:36:35.095
uh, as a load to carry on their backs.
776 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:36:35.670 --> 02:36:41.790
That's it Thank you.
777 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:36:43.110 --> 02:36:54.210
Thank you can some very thoughtful interventions, I think national regional yes agreed. Uh, let's make it work.
778 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:36:54.985 --> 02:37:07.015
And we are over this problem of, uh, do they matter how do they matter let's, let's just make it work and let's use the convening over the coming months, uh,
779 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:37:07.045 --> 02:37:11.935
to get more of these grassroots voices into the conversation.
780 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:37:12.325 --> 02:37:23.815
Uh, and I've heard this from some of the civil society members of the community, uh, that sometimes, you know, this is, uh, something that they wish for. So, let's use the opportunity.
781 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:37:24.210 --> 02:37:37.320
On this aspect of, uh, duplication we are very, very conscious of that, uh, the GDC process is a unique process. There is, uh, you know, no other process like that. So, at that level.
782 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:37:37.320 --> 02:37:41.035
You know, so don't worry there is no risk of duplication.
783 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:37:41.334 --> 02:37:55.135
Um, and there is a clear delineation of responsibility from the secretary general, uh, in this regard, within the, um, uh, outcomes that have been mentioned in, uh, the common agenda report.
784 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:37:55.465 --> 02:38:01.465
Uh, there is again, a clear delineation of responsibilities. So the, um, uh.
785 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:38:02.160 --> 02:38:17.035
The aspect of misinformation disinformation, the Department of global communications is in the lead and my office is in a supporting role there. Unesco will be in a supporting role there.
786 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:38:17.515 --> 02:38:32.065
Uh, and, uh, likewise on these issues of international security, legal, autonomous weapons systems issues that have dealt with in the past, it's clearly zooming our commits to the high representative for disarmament affairs. Who's.
787 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:38:32.160 --> 02:38:46.740
The lead, you know, where we come in from the office of the tech and wise issues around digital trust and and security. Frankly, our resources are so limited that we don't have the, the luxury of, you know.
788 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:38:46.740 --> 02:38:57.385
Uh, getting too too, uh, too much beyond the, uh, the market, uh, lines.
789 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:38:57.685 --> 02:39:03.205
Uh, it's also going to be, as I mentioned is going to be 1 of the 3 pillars of the offices work.
790 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:39:03.565 --> 02:39:16.405
Uh, so, on a longterm basis, avoiding this kind of overlap duplication, sending conflicting messages to, uh, to member states and other partners. So that's going to be part of the.
791 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:39:16.740 --> 02:39:24.000
It's not a very not a very pleasant task often, but it's a necessary.
792 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:39:24.000 --> 02:39:34.165
Uh, necessary 1, uh, on the role of the higher education, we already have universities stepping forward, uh, to help us host some consultations.
793 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:39:34.165 --> 02:39:45.145
There was a mapping exercise of digital cooperation that was done by students from higher education, uh, Institute. Uh, so they want to carry that forward with the help of their professors.
794 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:39:45.505 --> 02:39:53.875
If you have some ideas, you can volunteer, uh, and these step forward. So that's that's, you know, you'll hear.
795 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:39:54.000 --> 02:40:05.575
Can you repeat that, like, a broken record, you know, ask not what your country can do for you ask for you can in the same same thing and so give me advice, but also give me concrete things.
796 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:40:06.055 --> 02:40:11.935
Uh, uh, you know, so they'll be helpful. Uh, big tech.
797 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:40:12.240 --> 02:40:15.690
Yes, big tech is stepping forward.
798 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:40:15.690 --> 02:40:30.475
Uh, into conversations, uh, but we need to go beyond big tech. We need to go to medium tech, small tech, uh, tech outside, uh, the Silicon Valley, and have more diverse participation in those conversations.
799 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:40:30.475 --> 02:40:42.355
Sometimes, you know, you have, you have very different perspectives from tech companies from Asia, Africa, you know, uh, from China, India, from South Africa, Brazil, you hear different perspectives.
800 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:40:42.355 --> 02:40:45.595
We need to have those perspectives in, uh.
801 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:40:45.690 --> 02:41:00.270
And, uh, I also need to see that this is beyond, uh, you know, CSR or public relations. That this is truly, I mean, what is the meaning of multi stakeholders that, you know, we all have stakes.
802 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:00.270 --> 02:41:05.520
In those outcomes, and be step forward and, uh, put some skin in the game.
803 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:05.815 --> 02:41:10.645
So I need to see some skin in the game. No governments are definitely putting skin in the game.
804 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:11.125 --> 02:41:24.055
Uh, so so are others, but, you know, uh, we need to see more skin in the game going beyond some of these kind of like, you know, I just want to be able to handle the regulatory.
805 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:24.445 --> 02:41:26.485
Uh, uh, uh.
806 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:26.790 --> 02:41:39.955
You know, uh, impact on my business model 2 K, it's about the digital future matters to us all and we have a duty to our societies, uh, to our, uh,
807 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:39.985 --> 02:41:46.315
to our planet and we need to, uh, put in our bit as well, particularly when you have the resources.
808 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:47.185 --> 02:41:59.875
So, the resources at the command, some of these companies are the envy of more than 150 countries around the world. So, let's see a little bit of that. Um, Madam, your question? I didn't quite understand.
809 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:41:59.875 --> 02:42:06.205
I thought maybe you were, um, you were emphasizing the importance of it. importance of it
810 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:06.540 --> 02:42:10.560
Gestalt approach that don't break up the pieces.
811 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:10.560 --> 02:42:18.600
You know, keep the whole big picture in mind. And the other thing that you emphasize was the importance of radical transparency.
812 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:19.795 --> 02:42:31.945
Put your interests on the table, where are you coming from, put it on the table. So that I can see them. No, no problem in having different interests. You know, we all have agendas, frankly, but put them on the table.
813 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:32.155 --> 02:42:44.515
So that I can see, you know, what the agenda is and then, you know, we can negotiate around that. Maybe that is and I didn't quite get, uh, the goal of the 1 goal initiative.
814 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:44.515 --> 02:42:48.505
So, there are some risks that are not covered by the can you give a concrete.
815 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:48.600 --> 02:42:57.955
Example without breaking the guitar picture, that's going to be difficult. As soon as you give an example, you break it out.
816 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:42:58.465 --> 02:43:05.725
Um, the example that I, uh, generally give when, um, required to do. So is, um.
817 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:06.540 --> 02:43:11.280
The rebound effect as applied to, um.
818 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:11.280 --> 02:43:25.440
Energy efficiency, uh, the more, uh, efficient we make our devices, and we are right now, um, putting a lot of effort into that, uh, the more devices we end up using.
819 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:25.440 --> 02:43:34.530
And not only then, do we use more energy than we otherwise would have? Um, but we also.
820 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:34.530 --> 02:43:38.040
Make our functions.
821 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:38.040 --> 02:43:51.960
Per unit of function, if you so wish more energy intensive therefore, also more dependent on continued energy supply and when there is a glitch, we have a larger.
822 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:51.960 --> 02:43:55.290
Uh, damage, so that's 1 example.
823 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:43:55.290 --> 02:44:07.590
I have this helps, thank you. Um, we are almost out of time, but last question goes to meeting.
824 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:44:07.590 --> 02:44:13.830
Thank you. Thank you. Yes the then.
825 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:44:13.830 --> 02:44:19.740
I see in all, you have presented something that is, um.
826 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:44:20.455 --> 02:44:34.165
Missing or at least left apart and is the contents I'm Co, chair of the policy network or meaningful access and we are seeing and you will see in the report that we are working on,
827 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:44:34.165 --> 02:44:45.565
in this case that 1 of the ceiling that we have in the access process is the fact that there is a lack of services and local contents in the Internet.
828 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:44:45.715 --> 02:44:49.735
So the people say why I have to go on the Internet if there is.
829 "12271900" (3774523392)
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I cannot access, because I cannot understand and there are not the service that I need for. So this, I think is an issue that needs to be need to be addressed and linked to that.
830 "12271900" (3774523392)
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The results of the question that is linked to the media. I think that 1 of the.
831 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:45:08.670 --> 02:45:12.300
Lacking partner in all the process.
832 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:45:12.300 --> 02:45:26.370
Of the internal governance, all of them, including including has been the lack of attention from the media and the lack of this strong dialogue with the media and without the media. I don't think that we can go very far.
833 "12271900" (3774523392)
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That's my impression I'm biased because I've worked for me this since 40 years, but I have to.
834 "12271900" (3774523392)
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The knowledge of my conflict of interest.
835 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:45:38.755 --> 02:45:52.975
No, excellent points. Uh, media, I think faith based organizations, parliamentary so it's a critical, uh, partner, and particularly in the context of misinformation. Disinformation. So capacity building there.
836 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:45:53.215 --> 02:46:02.635
We can't do it without engaging the traditional forms media journalists, et cetera and I would add 1 more aspect to it, which is that, um.
837 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:04.020 --> 02:46:15.570
Media is playing a role in shaping the public consciousness on, on digital and even in the best newspapers, you see a kind of, um.
838 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:15.570 --> 02:46:18.960
Hi, uh, there is, uh, um.
839 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:18.960 --> 02:46:23.130
You know, it's like, uh, uh, uh.
840 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:23.130 --> 02:46:32.935
There is science reporting there is tech reporting, which is very helpful on a day to day basis, but then often it's it's about, you know, um,
841 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:34.915 --> 02:46:41.035
we are building a new kind of narrative around some of these tech heroes.
842 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:41.545 --> 02:46:52.795
Uh, there are many other heroes, and we need to be very nuanced in terms of how we understand for instance and media hasn't played, uh, uh, kind of, you know, not all media.
843 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:53.035 --> 02:46:59.065
But some media has played a role in kind of presenting AI in a way, which misleads us.
844 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:46:59.310 --> 02:47:04.225
Uh, the trainers, so, um, couldn't agree more that we need to engage media.
845 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:47:04.225 --> 02:47:15.055
It's a very, very important, uh, partner, uh, on the GDC, uh, as well, and the fact on, uh, the integrity of public information on content.
846 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:47:15.085 --> 02:47:29.125
Uh, in fact, earlier today, there was having we were having a discussion on digital divide, so there is the connectivity divide. There's the meaningful, affordable access divide and then, according to me, there is the content divide who's generating.
847 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:47:29.310 --> 02:47:33.060
Content who's consuming content in what language?
848 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:47:33.060 --> 02:47:47.130
In what cultural context, and we are losing some of the cultural diversity around the world. So, how can we preserve that? Um, and then there is the issue of who's generating the data, who is.
849 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:47:47.130 --> 02:47:59.965
Deriving value from data, so these are kind of nuances within this very broad paradigm of digital divide. Uh, so, uh, we need to focus laser, like, on this issue.
850 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:48:00.235 --> 02:48:05.365
And how do we reflect it in the GDC and more importantly, how do we take action.
851 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:48:05.725 --> 02:48:19.405
Already, even before the GDC on on this issue, um, it also has a practical significance, which is that if you don't have enough diverse data, sets your solutions in terms of, you know yeah. For health yeah.
852 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:48:19.435 --> 02:48:29.515
For education, uh, data for this, that, or the other, they are not going to be impactful enough. Uh, so, yes, uh, how is the.
853 "12271900" (3774523392)
02:48:29.850 --> 02:48:34.260
Is the question.
854 "12271900" (3774523392)
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Thank you very much on the secretary. Um, I like to thank you. All we are now.
855 "12271900" (3774523392)
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Over time, and I like you, thank you for coming here and I'd like to thank for those people who are online as well and I'd like to thank the analyst regional for taking time out of his busy schedule to come and meet with us. That's very much appreciated.
856 "12271900" (3774523392)
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Thank you. And.
857 "12271900" (3774523392)
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We'll see you, and we'll see you and add us.